Talk:Satchel Paige

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Contents 1 Dates 2 Templates 3 Teams 4 Pitch names 5 Birth Date 6 Huuh? 7 Should something related to this be in the article?

[edit] Dates

Um...the dates can't be right here...2006?

[edit] Templates

Need to change all the ndash templates to mdash templates...

[edit] Teams

Paige pitched one season for the St. Louis Stars in the 1920s, which you can verify online at numerous sources (such as http://z.lee28.tripod.com/sbnslegends/id6.html). Unfortunately, I can't locate the exact year right now and don't know how to add teams to the little graphic thing.

[edit] Pitch names

Article had "Midnight Creeper" and "Four-Day Rider". I changed to "Midnight Rider" (which was his fastball) and "Four-Day Creeper" (his change-up). That's what they were referred to in the Ken Burns "Baseball" series, and I think that's right, but I'm not 100% sure. Justin Bailey 17:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth Date

According to the 1910 census of Ward 10 in Mobile, Alabama (microfilm series T624, roll 27, page 283), Leroy Page (son of John whose wife is Lula) was 4 years old. If his birthday really was 7 July and the census accurate, then his birth year would have been 1905.

In 1920, the census pages for the Alabama Reform School for Juvenile Negro Lawbreakers (later called the "Industrial School for Negro Children") include the following note written at the top of the enumerations: "under 16 average 13 yrs no exact record". Leroy Page is listed as 13 years old, for what it's worth. Ardric47 07:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Having spent some years researching census records, I can say with confidence that as far as birthdates go, almost ALL censuses must be taken with a grain of salt. It's just as possible that John Page wasn't absolutely certain of his son's age when asked by a census taker, but knew that "young Leroy was born in 1906, and it's now 1910, which makes him four". That census was taken on 21 April 1910, which would have been less than three months from the actual anniversary. While this is only a theory, it is as valid as assuming the census to be absolutely accurate. Couillaud 15:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Right. I didn't intend to endorse a conclusion. Ardric47 04:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Huuh?

"Paige had a league best 8-10 record" How can the best record be below .500? Clarityfiend 12:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Should something related to this be in the article?

William "Plunk" Drake was a negro league baseball player. He was born June 8, 1895. His career spanned from 1914 to the late 1920's. He even played against white competition which was very rare at the time for African Americans. He died October 30, 1977. Taught Satchel Paige his famous Hesitation Pitch.

--71.36.251.182 01:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

It's unconfirmed whether Paige was taught the hesitation pitch by Drake or by "Big Bill" Gatewood. Drake claimed until the end of his life that it was he who taught the pitch to Paige, but there is evidence indicating Gatewood as well. Couillaud 02:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)