Talk:Satar Jabar

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Is it really appropriate to put pictures around here such as that? It seems really demeaning to have a personal picture and description such as that associated with somebody.

- jd

It's very appropriate. What's more demeaning, the torture, the fact his torturers photographed it, or the fact that photo later got released to the press and ultimately published here? To me, it's the first. Publication of the photo helps raise awareness of torture by US troops, so is to be welcomed, even though the act photographed is despicable. Just like the famous photo of Phan Thị Kim Phúc, burning from the effects of Napalm, helped raise awareness of the effects of the Vietnam war on the Vietnamese. --duncan 19:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

1 Factual accuracy disputed
2 conflicting info
3 Why not sign? ¡ ¿ ~~~~
4 Haj Ali

[edit] Factual accuracy disputed

According to the an article in New York Times, ("Symbol of Abu Ghraib Seeks to Spare Others His Nightmare," By Hassan M. Fattah Published: March 11, 2006) the man in the picture, prisoner 151716, is named Ali Shalal Qaissi, not Satar Jabar. Apparantly he is identifable by an injury on his left hand, although in both the picture from Abu Ghraib and the picture in the New York Times article, it appears that it is his right hand which is injured (two of his fingers are badly swollen). Anyway, the fact that this article might name the wrong person throws the entire article into dispute. I have no idea where the name Satar Jabar came from. --Descendall 05:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The NY Times has apparently published a correction for that story. Other than that, I don't know what's what here. Svlad Jelly 23:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly, pictures of the man with the swollen fingers on his left hand, nicknamed "The Claw" by the American troops, are dated to the exact same day as the "Statue of Liberty" picture. Indeed, within the same hour, according to the dates accompanying the pictures at Salon.com. Svlad Jelly 00:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] conflicting info

"Prisoner Satar Jabar's photograph, showing him hooded and wired up, has become familiar to Iraqis, who derisively call it "the Statue of Liberty." Far from being a dangerous insurgent, however, Jabar, 24, was an accused car thief." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5412316/site/newsweek/

I dont think the man is Satar Jabar either I recently was reading a few blogs and they all seem to say the man is Haj Ali al-Qaysi (Ali Shalal Abbas) you can view an interview with him at this site http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/hajali.html