Talk:Saskatchewan Party
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Could Ardenn quit vandalising this page and contribute something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.145.236.153 (talk • contribs).
I see the trolls are back (ie: Grant Neufeld).
64.110.251.69 05:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me? What exactly have I done that constitutes trolling in your view? —GrantNeufeld 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scandal didn't hit until 1993
The claim is made that there was a corruption scandal, and that said corruption scandal, involving certain members of the Sask PC Caucus, affected the 1991 election. The first individual wasn't even charged until 1993. So obviously this would be impossible.
CJCurrie, it is completely innappropriate to blindly revert edits without justification. Rumour and innuendo generally do not belong in the article either, let's stick to fact, not baseless speculation.
64.110.251.69 06:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
No, I do not agree that it would be impossible. It is entirely reasonable to believe that the investigation started well before charges were laid. A citation indicating that the scandal began before 1991 would resolve thie dispute. Without one, we may have to remove that line. Ground Zero | t 12:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reversion
I've reviewed the two version that are being considered now, and believe that the aanonymous editor's edits -- for example, deleting the cited fact that Brad Wall had been a part of the PC Party -- are an attempt to modify the article to make it biased in favour of the Sask Party. I have reverted to CJCurrie's version. If there are elements of that version that are incorrect or biased, the anon editor should identify them here for discussion. From my experience, CJCurrie is very reasonable in trying to find a neutral point of view, so I believe that he will accept reasonable suggestions for changes. Ground Zero | t 12:42, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The point I was making is that detailled information on Brad Wall belongs in Brad Wall, not in Saskatchewan Party. You may note, from my IP, that I have added information to both Brad Wall and John Gerich, including, but not limited to, Wall's other work for the Government of Saskatchewan in the 1980s, and of course, John Gerich's former occupation (RCMP officer), and convictions for fraud. So I am not trying to cover anything up, but rather am only trying to ensure that information is correctly and logically replaced, and not unduly repeated.
Also it defies credibility to suggest that the PC Party scandal had any effect on the 1991 election. The tories lost that election because of unpopularity, and the Fair Share Saskatchewan program of decentralization of government functions, among other reasons. Not that the 1980s government has anything whatsoever to do with the Saskatchewan Party, since the Party was founded in 1998, a full 7 years after the Devine PC's left office. The fraud scandal didn't appear in the newspapers until 1993 either, so once again, any effect on the 1991 election would have been simply impossible.
64.110.251.69 07:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I submitted that this page be semi-protected so you folks can discuss your edits reasonably. GreenJoe 17:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Could the information about the resignation of Brenda Bakken Lackey please be left in? It is complete relevant to the article given her stated issues she was having within the party. --- unsigned comment
What 'stated issues'? Do you have quotes from Ms. Baaken concerning issues within the Sask Party caucus? We cannot rely upon rumour, innuendo, or unsupported conjecture here (including editorials or commentaries). Wikipedia is a place for facts only and is not a tabloid magazine.
Even then, I'm not sure if it would even belong. I mean, there have been plenty of rumours coming out of the NDP caucus, including the dissatisfaction of Kevin Yates with Lorne Calvert, not to mention Glenn Hagel's dissappointment with his Moose Jaw running mate, Lorne Calvert, for not being appointed a Minister, but rather only a 'legislative secretary'. Of course, this 'information' is not in the NDP caucus' wiki, and all these trivial commments really don't belong in the Sask Party's article, especially when references are weak or non-existent to most claims made therein.
70.73.4.197 22:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
She stated in an interview that she was upset with being in caucus which was led by Brad Wall. The source confirms that so please quit vandalizing the page.70.64.4.74
The source identifies her problems with her role in government, and if anything, speaks to the fatigue of being in opposition, and being bullied by government members such as Pat Atkinson. Please quit vandalizing the page and adding nonsense sources.
70.73.4.197 15:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Unencyclopedic Tone
Quoting:
- For the first 30 years of Saskatchewan's history, the provincial Liberals could be argued to have been its liberal party, too, assiduously courting ethnic minorities as well as agrarian and labour activists.
- The party was hounded by the NDP with accusations of having secret undisclosed plans to privatize all of the province's crown corporations. The leader, Elwin Hermanson, was put on the defensive, stating he would not sell the four major crown corporations to private business, but would consider any offers received by private business on other crown corporations. It was rumoured that Preston Manning, the former leader of the Reform Party, had been approached by Hermanson to develop a transition team for government takeover, likely to begin the implementation of the Saskatchewan Party's platform planks.
- So powerful did the CCF and its successor, the New Democratic Party, become in the province that a basic rule of Saskatchewan politics held that (in the words of one veteran political journalist) "Saskatchewan politics shall for evermore consist of the NDP -- and one other party". The only question was, "what other party?"
This all reads like some sort of tabloid, not an encyclopedia article, and definitely needs to be addressed. More sources are also required to substantiate many claims here. (|-- UlTiMuS 17:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- I have attempted to clean up some of the bias and unencyclopedic tone in the article. I left most of the information on the page intact (though reworded), and so have grouped a number of points which probably do not belong in the Saskatchewan Party article under the heading "Clashes with the NDP Government". Most of these points are WP:Trivia and should probably be moved to the relevent articles or deleted.--T. Mazzei 01:09, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
