Talk:Sarawak chamber

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Okay, I'd rate myself as a happy troglodyte, but the fact that the *world's biggest cave chamber!!!* is hardly three paragraphs is...kinda depressing. I think I may have a fuzzy picture of it somewhere, from a caver acquaintance who sent me it via email...but I'm not quite sure how to put them on, and it might be rather large. And I can't find any information on the book I referenced to either, the Donald Jackson one - it's hardback, a black cover and has a large pothole photo on it's front. I know it's old; 1985 said Amazon. I love Sarawakky, I want to go there someday just to boast that I have. Are there any more caving enthusiasts on here? I want to try starting the Porth-yr-Ogof page too; I've been there several times myself and I have the book on it.

Lady BlahDeBlah 17:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you like my article, however short it may be. The photo would be quite welcome, but you're asking the wrong person if you want help. I too got my info from an old book, so it shows that oldys are good for information. Thanks, Spawn Man 00:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Nope...I can't find the photo. I think I deleted it from my inbox, as I'd recieved it about two years ago from that guy, and it was black and white, and huge in byte size...I think I'm/we're going to have to trawl the web if there's to be a photo. I don't think the Jackson book is in my University library, but I'll have a look because we have free scanners in there. *mopes* Lady BlahDeBlah 23:01, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Spawnman , are you a caver, and have you been to Sarawak Chamber? You have changed the text back to an earlier posting, which is incorrect. I have been there several times. Please don't add things to subjects you are not sure of. --Cavingliz 10:41, 30 July 2006 (UTC)cavingliz

Okay, I've visited this cave and many others in the Mulu resort this January. What I learned there is somewhat different from this article - there seem to be some misconceptions in this article concering the name of the cave and how to get there. In addition, it fails to mention one of the reason it is popular with tourists - it is host to millions of bats that fly out every night. The Mulu park have constructed a viewing platform close to the cave just for this purpose. As I remember, the guide also referred to the chambers as Deer cave, not Good luck cave. I am not sure on how to proceed in editing this though, as I don't have any sources to cite. I've only been there :) --RipperDoc 07:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I can assure you that Sarawak Chamber is definitely in Gua Nasib Bagus, or Good Luck Cave. Tourists don't go there, as you really need some caving experience to get there. Deer Cave is the show cave all tourists go to, and is often said to have the biggest cave passage in the world. This is the cave with the bats. Maybe you are getting confused with the terms passage and chamber. As I said before, if you are not a caver you may not understand the different words etc! Cavingliz 05:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, my bad. But what confuses me is that the guides told me that the Deer Cave where the largest chamber in the world... and it is very, very big. We were planning to go serious caving, but ended up not having time, but although their brochure mentioned many caves that required good experience to go to, they didnt mention that there was any cave bigger than Deer cave. Unfortunately, I threw this brochure away recently :p --RipperDoc 17:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Deer Cave is reputedly the largest cave PASSAGE in the world, it goes from one entrance of the cave to the other . Sarawak Chamber is the world's largest underground CHAMBER, i.e. enclosed room. The LONGEST cave is Clearwater. Cavingliz 12:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, cool, thanks! Now the pieces fit together for me again. Don't quote me on the number, but I think the guides told me that the undergroundriver that flows through Clearwater is around 100 km long.

Clearwater Cave is 129 km long, but the river in the cave is much shorter, as obviously it doesn't flow through all the passages. Cavingliz 03:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, they measure the length by coloring the water upstream and timing how long it takes to reach the other end (again, according to the guides). Is there any other way of measuring the length of the cave? (except going through all 129 kms, which for obvious reasons hasn't been done, right?).

They definitely DO NOT measure the length of a cave by dye tracing. Cavers measure the length of a cave by survueying with tape measure and surveying gear, and yes, they have covered all 129 km over the years. Dye tracing only tells you where the water flows, it is impossible to measure the length this way. Cavingliz 12:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

If you say so, I can only refer to what the guides told me :p If I go there again I'll ask them.--RipperDoc 03:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Cavingliz, you've BEEN there?!? Cooooolll...I haven't been able to go caving for about three years. ;-( Lady BlahDeBlah 13:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)