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[edit] Important Question which greatly effects word count
Are Act Titles counted in the word count?? Because if they are, then that would add a good 1000 words (at least) to the word count. So if someone could fill me in on this, that'd be great. I know that act titles dont count to line count, just not sure for word.
CanadaAotS 06:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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(Wordcount excludes (edit)s and Titles)
(Line count excludes (edit)s, Spaces between Acts, and Act titles themselves)
- From wordcount template and on every page. I hope this answers your question! -AtionSong 22:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fractional or decimal?
So, we're now 1 / 62.631856540084388185654008438819 there. That's about 1.5%. Alethiophile123 17:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] 3700th Line Added
Almost at 4000th Line !!!! =]]
==Can someone please check the line and word count. Of late it seems to have been going all over the place. Last week the line count was above 3000 now its only just over 1000. please will someone recitfy this and find out what the actuall word count is.
[edit] Could someone tell me where this is going???
The Epic Of Roy seems to kind of getting off-topic and silly, like with the baby putting down the cheese(No offense to the person who wrote it.). I have no idea where people want this to go. What will happen to Roy? I forgot to log in. User:Isis4563
[edit] Copyright issues
Who put the stuff about Eragon? We might get sued or something for copyright issues. Am too lazy to log in, but this is User:Wing Commander Vinyaya
Yeah, I was going to delete it, but...well, I wasn't sure about it. And I didn't think of asking about it on the talk page. The talk page seems kind of dead. Isis4563 22:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
i have know clue but i say delete it, just don't forget to change the wordcount - Threewaysround 00:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
On second thought, I have a comment. Perhaps we should just have a policy for not doing tis sort of thing about dragging in book/movie characters. Like before, am too lazy but this is User:Wing Commander Vinyaya
Wikipedia, to my knowledge, is not itself liable for any refrences we make here- and as long as they aren't false claims or anything I think we are just fine regarding copyright and us refrencing or talking about anything. Simple, just like Wierd Al Yankovic (not the simple part, the legal copyright part) songs. We aren't selling this poem, it can even be described as a hobby. --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 02:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't we already?Isis4563 22:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
well i'm not too sure about the extent of this stuff, i assumed that someone had taken a couple lines out of the book, but if it's just a refrence, or even something like "use the force" (not from that book as far as i no but a good example) or mentions of spesific things meant to be humourous should be fine.
peace-Threewaysround 02:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
hmm...fine, as far as I'm concerned.Isis4563 17:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, if you're sure that Wikipedia can't get sued, that's ok. (I am way too lazy to look things up myself.) Fine with me, since we aren't actually getting money from this. But I have to say that it does sort of ruin the quality of the poem (and I ruin the risk of appearing hypocritial since I myself added the stuff about Lord of the Rings.) Maybe a little bit is all right, like what I added, but when you're making stuff up with the characters that didn't actually happen, maybe that shouldn't work. I mean, this isn't fanfiction! The Superteapot 20:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
We should seriously clean up the poem a lot! There are some good bits and some bad bits. So... WHat do you think? This is User:Wing Commander Vinyaya
Yeah, like getting rid of all the copyrighted stuff. It doesn't make sense in some parts.Isis4563 21:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking...maybe we should just concetrate on cleaning it up. Instead of adding lines to it, let's make what we have better. That way it would be easier to understand, and therefore easier to add on to. Another thing..I think, personally, that having to rhyme the lines makes it kinda hard to tell a story. Maybe we should change that rule so that it's easier to tell a story. Isis4563 15:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
it would be a good idea and make it easier, but then it wouldn't be a poem, and we couldn't break the record. plus rhyming just makes it a bit more fun.
peace-Threewaysround 00:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
It's an amazingly simple fact of English literature and poetry, poems don't have to rhyme. They should have a basic rhythmic structure or meter, but they don't have to rhyme. While this one already rhymes- so it could be argued that non-rhyming parts are of a different poem, it is still evident that would just mess everything up. I say we try to set a minimum amount of lines to act- and a more evident plot focus on the main page. Anyone with me on this? --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 02:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
But if we did that some people wouldn't consider it a poem. WE all do, but I suppose if Wikipedia wants the record it will have to look somewhat poemish, but I do agree, we need a few rules about how Random people are going, suddenly turning into a chicken doesn't seem realstic. But thats just me... HoliHallow 21:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
i agree that in the english language a poem doesn't nessicarely need to rhyme. but it does need to follow a set rhythm, or rules and such, and if we randomly changed midway through it would kinda mess everything up, so if the idea was proposed from the start then it could have worked, but it's much much much too late now.
also for the guildlines would be very helpful for people who don't know what they should write, and help the story keep on track. It tends to get really off topic lately, and we need to keep a hold on this storyline.
-Threewaysround 22:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
So- here is the problem- how do we implement the storyline, how decides, how can we make sure everyone follows it and who can help with the storyline. After we can fiz that then this all can work. --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 23:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
A comment about poetry and rhyming: yes, technically. But then anything could be a poem. Anything Can be a Poem if you just write if differently. If we keep it rhyming, then it sort of weeds out the really wierd stuff. We should make guidelines about inappropriateness and stuff. The Superteapot 20:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad I got some feedback on that. Having to make words rhyme with other words kind of steers you into a place where you don't want to go. I wanted Roy to get serious, but having to rhyme words made it quite difficult. My comment about poems having to rhyme...no they don't. But I really see what you're saying where it would be like a separate poem if it didn't rhyme. But wait...isn't this section for discussion about cleanup? Or is that just me? Isis4563 14:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
BTW, it should take about 20 years to complete this at the rate we're going. With that...well, my other proposal just couldn't happen. Unless some people would commit to cleanup. Just an idea...please tell me what you think of it.Isis4563 15:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
True, but I mean, I suppose that both ways it's wierd, with rhyming, since if you have a nonrhymimg poem, then it's wierd, but then if you have a rhyming poem then it's wierd too because you have to find wierd words to rhyme. Anyways, perhaps we should declare a temporary stop to editing while we do a cleanup. And we should write guidelines, and any stuff that vioilates it will be deleted, etc. A good one would be something about how innapropriate content, maybe? The Superteapot 23:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Another comment: as mentioned earlier, we probably should write a summary or story and act summaries. Would be useful. Will start on first act, but how? The Superteapot 00:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
If someone-I am not qualified to- can merge acts or create summaries for every 5 acts i would have no problem or objection to it- provided they don't change the storyline or interfere with the growth of it.......think of it as an outside documentation. --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 01:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Question-Would the summaries create a separate page? Stating the obvious, when we hit 100 acts, that would be twenty summaries if one for every five acts. More details would be nice. About the guidelines, I agree with more guidelines. Who would create the guidelines, though? questions, questions, questions... Isis4563 23:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest we appoint Poem Mods, people who unoffically help out the poem and help write the summaries- or maybe even a SandBox Mod if neccesary- I would be willing to take such a reponsibility. Anyone else? --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 23:15, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
--[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 00:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
You think maybe we should cut down on the ridiculously long act titles? I mean, the really irrelevant ones, not the ones that are long but are relevant. The Superteapot 23:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] About that summary
I'd be more then willing to help make a summary of the play... if only i knew where to put it. oh, and yeah, i agree with the idea of having mods for this topic, as it is vandilized quite frequentlly. Xiaden 19:05, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
A Poem Mod would be really good. They also could be peoplwho read through the poem to check for vandilizing. If these mods where assigned their own section of acts, it would make them more familier with their section. Just a hunch *shrug* And a summary would be very useful... HoliHallow 20:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
If someone vandalizes it, witha summarya person wouldbe able to rewriteit at least so itfollows the samestoryline. I think my questionsare getting annoying, but whatwould the summariesbe like?
Act CXX:
length:110 lines/748words
Roy'sgreatgrandson is born.
Act CXXX:
length:113lines/770 words
Roy's great grandson is a toddler. He has many mental setbacks, including Down syndrome. He has to be closely watched at all times, to protect him from himself. He has not learned to walkyet. His father is fighting in a war far away, leaving his mother behind with him. His motheris pregenant again. One night, he gets out of the bed he shares with his mother, and wanders away until an old woman picks him up. She then raises him until he is an adult and then is taken back by his mother, and his father is dead.
My point...we would want acts of about the same sizeto have summaries thatare the same size.Not to say thatthis what I want these acts to be like or anyhting...not at all. My spacekey isn't working verywell. Butact summaries shouldbe the same amount ofwordsas similar actsummaries. As ascientist woud say, we have to "operationally define"them.Isis4563 23:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Quite a speach there, but yes, if someone could properly name these pages such as Poem Mods application and judgement by established poem editors, and act summary pages or bulk act summary pages- it would be completely okay for me. So, if someone knows how to properly name those pages- I say go ahead.--[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 00:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, in the beginning it was actually OK (or so I think, at least with the first act.) I think that the longer acts should have an act summary all to themselves, and the shorter ones can be lumped together. However, some of the more irrelevant acts ("Intermission") don't really need a summary. If we are dedicated to doing this, though, the wordcount will fluctuate (such a nice word) wildly. So are we dedicated to this? And I still think that a temporary halt is a good idea, or else the cleaners will never be finished.(oops, forgot to sign) The Superteapot 01:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC) PS: Isis4563, hope you don't mind that I added a couple spaces.
No offence taken. Thiskeyboard iskinda old. Sorry for the long length,but I had toget an importantpoint across. Yes,length should be afactor tohow many acts per summary. Intermissions shouldbe excluded. Why do we even haveintermissions? Isis4563 03:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, there was an edit conflict anyway: We should summarize for groups of 5 or 10 acts- depending on legnth and relevancy... but this Summarizing Pages will be a different project completely- meaning during the process of summarization- the person doesn't change the poem to make it easier to summarize or explain- because that will be completely(or almost completely) unfixable damage to the plot and objective of a WikiPoem. Thanks, --[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 03:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a different computer with a different keyboard now, to make it easier to read:). Okay, it would be a different project? Of course a person wouldn't change the poem to make it easier to summarize. I hope no one would do that, at least. The summarizing would just be for summarizing. And, while going through the poem, hopefully catch vandalism and fix it. But still...we need more volunteers. I would do it, but I am pretty busy. Isis4563 01:43, 3 March 2007 (UTC) BTW, You posted a response 3 minutes after me, Yossi842.
Yeah, that was because I had to seach for the part and copy it- anyway, I will participate in the project. I can also volunteer my time as a Poem Mod as well. Anyway else willing to do so?--[[User:Yossi842| Yossi842]] 01:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I would. But I have to say, are we willing to completely edit out acts that are completely inappropriate? The Superteapot 23:35, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Word Count
I was thinking recently, Do you think there could a be an easier way of updating the word count, maybe if we have a word count for the separate groups of acts, so we only need to update that particular one we're editing, insted of having to copy the entire! poem into a word document, or whatever and have to remove all the titles etc. Then you would only have to count roughly that 1/4 of the poem. And if you have that 1/4 poem or whatever word + line count, it is just simply a case of adding the 4 page numbers together.
Anyone get what I'm saying? or am I just speaking gibberish? And sorry if this has been brought up before, I just think it is better idea than the currant word count idea... People opinion please.... HoliHallow 12:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I understand what you're saying...like make a separate wordcount/linecount for a group of acts, 1-25 would have its own word count, 26-50 would have its own wordcount, and same for 51-75, and you get it. You would still have to delete the titles and other stuff, but it wouldn't take as long. Yeah, I thought of that myself... Isis4563 21:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeh, just like that, If you can have a box under the total word count, poem section count? HoliHallow 17:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
But then a person editing would have to change both the group count and the entire count, and there is more probability for a mistake. And then the person would have to do all of them again, which ruins the point. The Superteapot 23:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
No, there would a page wordcount (eg acts 1-25) and the whole poem count, so when editing, they would just count that page's word's and lines, and then update that pages count, and then look at the other page's count and it would just a point of adding 4 numbers together for the total count, it means you dont have to count the entire poem, just that page, and you just read the numbers off the other pages, good if you are just editing one page of acts. HoliHallow 16:48, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Guidelines
Well, while we're at the cleanup thing, we might as well write some guidelines. I figure something like this:
1. No innapropriate content. The Superteapot 23:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
We already have that rule. But we need to define "innapropriate". Like maybe no curse words, and nothing that would be gory if you saw it in a movie/in a picture. Just saying...please don't take offence. Isis4563 22:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Try making this better(add things to it, and I mean this list)
- You may add as many lines as you like
- Begin each line with a number sign (#)
- All lines added must be in sets of rhyming pairs:
A - A - B - B
- Try to make it understandable and try to tell a story
- You are free to edit lines already added
- You do not only need to add lines at the end or on the most current subpage, but make sure that any changes to the middle of the poem maintain the same rhyme scheme (see above).
- Please attempt to refrain from posting about inappropriate subject matter or using profanity, as the poem is periodically checked for sections such as these, and they are deleted.
- Update the wordcount when you are done by clicking on the link in the box. The template is the same on all pages, so you do not need to edit the one on this page.
Yeah, I have to say that you're right. Maybe as in nothing above a "blank" movie rating? And definitely something about no profanity. (forgot to sign in, this is continued) And nothing really descriptive (And then his guts/were like some huts/dripping red/With blood they bled Well, actually that's not that descriptive and useful, but let me try again though this isn't in poetry: His guts, fleshy and pink, hung out of the dreadful cut in his body, slowly dripping blood-get the idea?) A picture is worth a lot of words, though, Isis4563, so if you have someone DESCRIBING something I dunno, but if you have a picture definitely it's a wham. Nothing sexual (like suddenly Roy turns gay/crossexual/crossdressing/etc.) or innapropriate that way. We could put some stuff about like nothing that wouldn't fit in a child's book, except is general violence okay? (Like they started firing arrows at each other/For their hate was like no other/And when one hit an innocent person/Something popped, in blood immersin'/All of the watchers/Who now were dodgers/Of that red substance/I can't think of something that rhymes with substance. ) You get the point, hopefully. (If anyone wants to use my demonstration rhymes, feel free to.) Another thing we should also put is something about copyrighted characters: so we can have refrences to them but nothing that didn't actually happen in the context? The Superteapot 04:24, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
General violence is okay with me. I am totally against having copyrighted characters, though. Not that I'm afraid Wikipedia will get sued, but because you just don't put things like that in things like this! Isis4563 22:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Attention poets!
Just thought I'd mention this, but in Act CVII, after many years of terrible travelling, Roy has finally returned home. Perhaps it's time to unleash some more creative genius, as to what happens next? (I've left the options open for you.) A milestone surely, and one that I didn't want to pass unnoticed. --Mark J 22:31, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Um...why is there anact without anywords? MaybeI missed something.Isis4563 22:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That act needs to be filled in. I couldn't have him returning home without a journey. --Mark J 17:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually you could. Isis4563 21:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, it depends on what he's returning home FROM. I mean, if he's home from going to the store then it's not really going to work, but it he's returning home from a long quest, going out to see the world etc. and he comes back to see the place in ruins and shambles etc. (Kind of like Frodo from Lord of the Rings returning to the Shire) then that works. PS: do you mean the home, as in from act I? Wow. The Superteapot 04:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
You mean the one in Russia? Isis4563 00:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I do mean the home from Act I. And it's already gone off at a tangent already. I might as well not have bothered... --Mark J 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
ps. If said home was already gutted / destroyed / atomised at some earlier point in the poem, please tell me. I do like a little continuity.--Mark J 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Dudes, check out the awesome speech in Act 108. --Mark J 14:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] We lost 2000 words!?
I had some spare time, so I did an entire poem count, and it seems that we have lost around 2000 words from the poem, I did remove all the titles and edits, and used a word count, Should I just edit the Wordcount? Also there are some stats that may be of some interest to people
Words - 38,702 (as of 09/03/07)
Lines - 5136
Pages (A4) - 103 (we could make a book)
Words per Line (ave) - 7.5354
Lines per act - 47.11
HoliHallow 20:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, that's because people don't update the wordcount after adding to it. It gets annoying. Isis4563 00:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Wow! The whole poem got an overhaul. Wonder what User:AtionSong will think... bibliomaniac15 04:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I can understand how you suddenly gain lost of words, people dont update it, but losing words? I'm pretty sure that I did it all accuratly, also do you get Spammers, cutting out acts or removing words etc? HoliHallow 12:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Microsoft Word counts the numbers, too. You have to delete them, and it is very tiresome. But I've gotten quite fast at it... Isis4563 13:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Things
Who killed Lina???? I think Roy deserves a little happiness. This is what, his fourth wife to die? Someone likes death. :( I liked Lina, and not just because I created her, either. Isis4563 14:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Er...why was Lina's name changed to Lyner? That doesn't rhyme with China. What was wrong with it? Please tell me!!! Isis4563 19:12, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification Needed
Recently, this edit was added to the intro line of the poem:
Also, we will have to reach at least 20 million words in order to exceed the length of the Epic of King Gesar (see [1]).
Now, in the article on the Mahabarata, it says in the opening lines that the Mahabarata is the longest epic poem in the world. But, we can all see that 20 million is larger than 1.8 million. So, the question is, which is the longest poem? -AtionSong 21:27, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The Epic of King Gesar is longest, according to a website I found. Not 100% sure though...Isis4563 20:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
From the bottom of the Mahabarata page notes:
Roughly 10 times the size of the Iliad and Odyssey taken together, and about 4 times the size of the Ramayana. Epics that can be argued as being longer include the Tibetan Epic of King Gesar and the Kyrgyz Manas.[citation needed]
So, it could just be a matter of opinion, or other things (e.x. languages where whole words can be represented by a single letter). For now, I'm just going to leave it as Mahabarata, if that's okay with everybody. -AtionSong 21:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Wait! Is it 20 million or 2 million? If it's 20 million...whoa! Isis4563 19:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
