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[edit] Eurasian

Hey Sandstig, hope everything is cool now on the Eurasian article - me and AmericanBeauty415 hashed quite a bit this morning over it, and I think we managed to reconcile our differences. If you have further NPOV smoothing you'd like, please be bold and edit! Thanks again! --JereKrischel 20:08, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Edward Sandstig 20:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blasian

You are free to delete that line, but keep in mind,it was deleated on countless occasions only to be reimplicated on the Eurasian board. My belief is it's an opinion and Wikipedia is not based on opinions therefore neither one should have it because it creates a strife/belief that one mix is better then the other when that is not the case. Good day.

No problem, it appears someone else already removed the line. Edward Sandstig 20:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hangout

Your edits to Philippine English are good! By the way, feel free to pass by the pinoy hangout--Jondel 04:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Catálogo de apellidos filipinos

The source of the non-Spanish names is the book itself - it's already mentioned. What kind of source are you looking for? --Chris S. 05:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I must've missed that portion in the references. I was under the impression that those with surnames such as Gray, Burton and Ymbrecht were of foreign ancestry. --Edward Sandstig 10:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] About PLM

Thank you for citing properly the source about PLM as "one of the top universities in the Philippines" in the article, Metro Manila. More power!

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[edit] Re:SORIANO_FAMILY

Hehe, yeah. I wouldn't have noticed that those two vandals reported were sockpuppets had I not been the original blocker of SORIANO_FAMILY. I remembered the name he/she had added to the page, and that's when I realized the sockpuppetry. It's all good now, though. (hopefully) :) --Nishkid64 22:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] re article Armed Forces of the Philippines/Temp

I moved this to User:Sandstig/Armed Forces of the Philippines, as temp articles are supposed to go in userspace (in userspace, / creates a subpage of your user page, but article space is flat - the / just creates a new article with the / as part of the name). You can delete it if you don't want it anymore; if you need a history merge to merge it with the existing Armed Forces of the Philippines let me know. Herostratus 19:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi there. The article was placed there as per the instructions on the copyright violation template a while back when the page got blanked out. No problem with having the page deleted completely since we've removed any text that might be construed as copyvios. :) --Edward Sandstig 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] re Defensor Santiago edit

The fact that Santiago indeed cannot afford the election watchers is verified from her campaign staff, and I think is necessary to point out to establish the fact that popularity alone did not win her the election. Factotum73 01:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

You had written that she lost "reportedly because she could not afford election watchers to protect her vote". The implications in your statement are very different from merely stating that she couldn't afford election watchers. If you can provide multiple credible and unbiased sources that actually state that the reason Santiago lost to Estrada was due to her lack of election watchers, then you are free to return it. --Edward Sandstig 21:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] JAS 39 Gripen

Why would you change citations into a template when they were written out properly? Templates are exactly that- just a guide to use if you do not know how to catalog. I am a librarian with 33+ years experience and I prefer to "scratch catalog" using an MLA protocol not the APA template guide that Wikipedia presently suggests. Bzuk 14:28 18 February 2007 (UTC).

The following response was posted on Bzuk's talk page: The template makes it easier for someone to update the access-date and maybe replace the source at a later time in case the current source disappears in the future. This keeps things uniform since many of us do not have knowledge of the MLA protocol that you mention. --Edward Sandstig 15:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The point is, it's a template that merely is employed to help editors. When an editor replaces the template with the exact information, then there is no difference in the use of information. In assessing the type of catalogiing protocols, the MLA (Modern Language Association) style guide is the world's most common cataloguing system and is extensively used by editors (I edit an aviation trade journal and write professionally) worldwide. The MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers includes advice on writing a research paper, the mechanics of punctuation, editorial principles, the format for research papers. The APA (American Psychological Association) guide which Wikipedia editors have chosen as the template guide leaves out information as to location and sources the date of publication with the author, which makes it a less useful guide. The APA or Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association sets the documentation style for psychology and other behavioral and social sciences, as well as nursing, criminology and personnel management. You often see university professors specifying this guide for newcomers because it is simpler. As you can see, there is a specific reason for my changing the template to an MLA guide: 1) It is more complete 2)It is easier to adapt 3)It is designed specifically for research.Bzuk 15:55 19 February 2007 (UTC).
The following response was posted on Bzuk's talk page: My point was that if an editor sees the template (cite_web) and sees a whole bunch of fields, he might take the time to try to fill them in, rather than just providing a link and nothing more. Seeing the name of the template, he might even be encouraged to take a look at other fields he could add to further specify the source he's using. Using the template, also makes it easier for you to change how the information stored in the template will be displayed in the future. If consensus is reached for example and you really want sources to be shown like this:
Swedish Defence Materiel Adiminstration, Gripen - Milestones. Swedish Defence Materiel Adminstration, Gripen - Milestones Access date: 17 February 2007.
Instead of like this:
Swedish Defence Materiel Adiminstration, Gripen - Milestones. Retrieved on 2007-02-17.
Then you only have to gather support to change it in the template rather than having to manually edit every single instance of the {{cite_web}} template. BTW, the template uses ISO-formatted dates, otherwise, the links in the references end up red. --Edward Sandstig 19:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
The use of templates is not mandated and if you check, there are many editors who can catalog on their own. BTW, there is a simple fix for the dates: |accessdaymonth =17 February | accessyear =2007. Dates are often not set in users' preferences so it does matter that there are two different date systems employed. The standard for cataloging is to identify an author, title, place of publication and publisher with variations to accommodate an electronic signature. Using a template that does not allow this is inconsistent with cataloging protocols. Bzuk 21:05 19 February 2007 (UTC).
The following response was posted on Bzuk's talk page: Agreed on use of the accessdaymonth and accessyear parameters instead, since it allows for the format of the dates to follow the user's own preferences. I was unaware that the ISO-formatted date didn't change automatically, so my apologies for that.
Anyway, getting back to the topic of templates. I understand that you come from a traditional academic and literary background and perhaps you aren't too familiar with how templates are used on the web, but like I've said before, they allow you to easily change things in just one place, thus maintaining uniformity across multiple pages. With a site the size of Wikipedia, making those changes manually simply wouldn't be practical, thus if you have complaints about the widely-used {{cite_web}} template, then you're free to discuss your improvements and apply them. Doing things that way, would allow you to effect change on ALL articles currently using the said template, rather than going in and making changes for every single article you come across. --Edward Sandstig 23:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Edward, I do understand the use of templates, it is merely that the catalog information that is in the "widely-used" template is based on a system that is not best adapted for research papers. I understand that many editors may prefer a template because it looks simple to use but as I indicated before; for me, it is just as fast to "scratch catalog" and if you know how to use the MLA style, it actually provides more information for the user. There have been some efforts to rewrite the templates but I find it easier to do without them and still give a source citation. Again, that's me... where I have been involved in major articles- see Amelia Earhart, P-51 Mustang and the Avrocar (aircraft), you will find that I have properly referenced sources of information (just not with templates). As to your suggestion, I can't see challenging the whole aircraft editing group when most people rely on the templates. My rewriting them to a more commonly used style would take a whole lot of explanation,, as I have attempted to do for you. It's hard to summarize 30 years worth of cataloging experience for a non-librarian and make it relevant. If I didn't care what system I used, why would I change? would be the obvious reply. Thanks for the talk, anyhow. [:-) Bzuk 03:30 20 February 2007 (UTC).

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