Talk:Same-sex marriage in Spain
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[edit] Children born within a lesbian marriage
Could anyone edit the last paragraph in section Reactions ?
The 7th November 2006, the government amended the law on assisted reproduction, allowing the non-biological mother to recognize children born within a lesbian marriage.
http://es.news.yahoo.com/07112006/185/lesbianas-podran-madres-hijos-in-vitro-parejas.html
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- Done. Next time, be bold! :) Raystorm 12:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nominated article for Good Article status
Let's see how it goes... Raystorm 18:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pictures
We need more pictures for this article aside from the maps. I found a really good pic in the web showing people celebrating at the congress that the bill had passed. I have asked permission to use it (per Wikipedia's policy), and am waiting for a response. Meanwhile I've made a request at WP:RP for pictures of the two demonstrations, for and against the law. If anyone could contribute anything, it would be great! Cheers Raystorm 01:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
- I got permission to use the image, so I uploaded it to Wikipedia and added it to the article. I do hope I've done everything by the book about copyright issues according to Wikipedia (I've got half a mind to call an administrator to check everything is okay with the image and that I'm not missing some crucial step of the upload images' process). Oh well, guess I'll find out if they list it for deletion, but I hope it doesn't come to that. I did get permission, after all (in Spanish though, which is what is troubling me somewhat, though it shouldn't be a problem, right?)... Added a link to the web that gave me permission, btw, as per their request. Cheers Raystorm 16:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] GA concerns
I think most of the article is perfectly OK. Some things necessary to improve:
- Per WP:LEAD, I suggest the lead section contains a few sentences summarizing the history section; and one or two sentences summarizing reactions to the law. And also one sentence saying that at least one of the members of the couple must be a Spanish citizen.
- In the section "Reactions", a reference is needed for the quote by President Zapatero. Is this an official translation of his statement? If not, please provide the original text also.
- A reference is needed for the paragraph in this section that starts with Opponents to the bill also claimed that the government, by equalizing same-sex and opposite-sex couples [..]
Apart from that, I think the article is well written and covers its topic very well.
Fred-Chess 15:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- I think all of the above have now been adressed. How does it look? :) Cheers Raystorm 00:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I think your changes were very good.
- Another thing. Would it be possible to write the first paragraph – and the first sentence in particular – in a simpler way? For example, I like the way it is written on Same-sex marriage in Canada.
- Fred-Chess 13:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I've changed the first sentence, and a bit of the first paragraph. You're right, Canada's article has a very good lead (although really long!). Does it look better now? Raystorm 14:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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Per WP:MOS#Article_titles, I have removed the links from the bolded parts:
- As a general rule, do not put links in the boldface title or synonym in the article’s first mention or any section title.
Also, there is no need to repeat the links to Spain and same-sex marriage in the paragraph. Once is enough. Ground Zero | t 15:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Fair enough. Raystorm 15:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes I think the article could be passed now. I'll do it shortly, if there are no other concerns. / Fred-Chess 16:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yee-haw! We are a GA! :D Raystorm 17:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Zapatero's quote
These are decisions for freedom, to allow free people to choose freely. They are not meant to attack any moral position, since they belong to the civil realm, determined by the legitimate will of the majority of the citizens. ... Spain is a democracy whose sovereignty resides in the Parliament, which passes laws on social life. I deeply respect all citizens' religious convictions, and it's true that there are many Catholics in Spain. However, while respecting the best spirit of the Church's doctrine, we must make the difference between civil space and the intimate space of personal conviction. The worst occurs when the two are confused.
I had to change it for another one because I couldn't find a source for it. It's a pity, because it's quite beautiful. If anyone finds a reference for it, we could put it back. Cheers Raystorm 23:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comments
I think that the only thing that might be lacking in the article is evidence of the effect that the law has had in the country. Things like the statistics on number of marriages so far recognized, maybe children effected, etc. Also, some specific comments from some of the parties involved throughout the legalization process about related topics could probably be included as well. Badbilltucker 15:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
- I know what you mean, and I agree. The problem is, this law is very recent. It only has about a year and a half of life. I'm not sure if there are any in-depth reports about how gay marriage has affected Spaniards, or children (?). The statistics of numbers of marriages are provided in the article for different time periods up to the first year of the law. I'm not too sure what you mean about comments from some of the parties about related topics though. Which related topics?
- This article will have a big expansion next year. Be aware that the law has been challenged in the Spanish Constitutional Court (where there will be no possible appeal -their decission is final, whatever they decide). Everything regarding that decision will be documented here as well. I just say this so everyone is aware that this article is by no means finished. As info about the topic is released (quite possibly beginning after this summers' end, as people for and against the law start positioning themselves and readying arguments and statistics to pressure public opinion and the judges), it'll be recorded here accordingly.
- Which means, it's possible that some of the info you ask me for may not be found right now, but will be in a few months. Nonetheless, I thank you for your comments and suggestions. :) Cheers Raystorm 19:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FAC
I completely forgot to say it here, but I nominated this article for FA status (as eveyone can see with the FAC template above). Cheers Raystorm 12:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yessss, we're a FA! X-D Raystorm 10:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Amendments?
Hey - if the law passed in 2005, and there weren't any amendments when it passed, can't that info be taken out? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'm checking the amendments info and have provisionally taken it out from the legislation infobox. The thing is, I'm getting conflicting info about there actually existing some amendments to this law. I'm going to research this now. Cheers Raystorm 12:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Semiprotect?
Anyone up for this yet? ZueJay (talk) 03:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- As a rule the main page FA is never protected. It is often the first page of the "free encyclopedia anyone can edit" that new users come across. For them not to actually be able to edit it is generally seen as counterpoductive. Many people will watchlist the main page FA so vandalism should be reverted fairly efficiently. WjBscribe 03:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- It is considered fairly often though; anything on the front page is pretty much literally a painted target to a vandal. More often than not, front page articles are hit the hardest. HalfShadow 03:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed a bit of vandalism a few minutes ago from somebody called JoshKennedy. Pretty juvenile stuff. Ddb1965 20:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The first sentence
The first sentence does not tell me anything, I am not clear about what this is, Is it a Law?, a report?, a proposal?, a movement?, a convention, ???
I am at a loss from the first sentence. The first sentence should be changed to something like:
The Civil Marriage Act is a piece of Spanish legislation passed in 2005 that........
is a Spanish law governing.....
The Civil Marriage Act (XXXX) is an Act of the Parliament of Spain, passed in 2005 as bill Z-21.......
The Civil Marriage Act (full title: "An Act respecting certain aspects of legal capacity for marriage for civil purposes") was legislation legalizing same-sex marriage in Spain. It was introduced as Bill XXX in the X session of the XXth Spanish Parliament on February 1, 2004. It passed the House of Commons on April 28, 2005, and the Senate on July 19, 2005. The Act became law when it received aproval by the prime minister on August 15, 2005
The Civil Marriage Act is a piece of Spanish legislation passed in 2005 that........
is a Spanish law governing.....
The Civil Marriage Act (XXXX) is an Act of the Parliament of Spain, passed in 2005 as bill Z-21.......
The Civil Marriage Act (full title: "An Act respecting certain aspects of legal capacity for marriage for civil purposes") was legislation legalizing same-sex marriage in Spain. It was introduced as Bill XXX in the X session of the XXth Spanish Parliament on February 1, 2004. It passed the House of Commons on April 28, 2005, and the Senate on July 19, 2005. The Act became law when it received aproval by the prime minister on August 15, 2005
"Same-sex marriage in Spain is a law that became act in 2005"
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"Same-sex marriage became law in Spain in 2005"
or something similar to the 8 examples given above!
What do you think?
Trade2tradewell 17:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- I believe the implication is pretty clear. 'Same-sex marriage in Spain was legalised in 2005'. What else could it be? :-) Just same-sex marriage. If it was legalised, it's a law. I would keep it as it is, nice and simple. Cheers Raystorm 18:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] note on lingering vandalism
This is the diff I am using to find "old" lingering vandalism. It's a diff between whatever is the current version and the last version of 13 March, right before it went up on the main page. I had to adjust some linebreaks to make all the paragraphs line up. As it is currently, I think I've gotten the lingering vandalism out. However, there seem to be a lot of wikilinks in the old version that have been removed or made less specific. That might be because the previous wikilinks were misleading, but I don't know if all of these were good changes. — coelacan — 20:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
- It looks like MisfitToys decided many of those lost links were indeed useful. Thanks for taking the time to figure out what belonged! — coelacan — 22:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Estado Laico
Out of interest what does estado laico mean (in this Image:Gay March celebrating 2005 Pride Day and Same-Sex Marriage Law in Spain.jpg image). From Google translation it means lay state, from a Google search I found laico appears to be Laity so I can't guess what it means... Nil Einne 13:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
