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Contents 1 Archiving misunderstanding 2 "Wrong" pages 3 You're Not Alone 4 Edit sumamries 5 Hello Salty! 6 Thank-you! 7 British Sea Power names 8 Abuse 9 Morrisey 10 Ban this liar. 11 Image Tagging Image:MorrisseyPromo2006.jpg 12 Good Article fail 13 Date prefs 14 Request for Adminship 15 Image Tagging Image:MysteryJetsTheBoyWhoRanAway.jpg 16 Cut and paste moves 17 Quizmania & The Mint presenters AfDs 18 Image Tagging Image:MysteryJetsMakingDens.jpg 19 Childhood Memories 20 MoS date links 21 License tagging for Image:TheYoungKnives.jpg 22 Links section 23 Unspecified source for Image:YanBritishSeaPower.jpg 24 Image:WoodBritishSeaPower.jpg listed for deletion 25 Image tagging for Image:Reformationposttlc.jpg 26 Getting Kendal to featured article status 27 Neal Bishop 28 Mark Prindle record reviews

[edit] Archiving misunderstanding

Please stop removing content from Wikipedia [1]. It is considered vandalism. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Doc ^ask? 23:06, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Fix up, look sharp. --SaltyWater 23:17, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realise you were archiving. But please use informative edit summaries in future, particularly when making major changes, it makes it easy for vandal partolers to tell the difference. --Doc ^ask? 23:18, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Noted. --SaltyWater 14:07, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Wrong" pages

If you know a page or pages to be wrong [2], why don't you correct them? Andy Mabbett 13:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

I do not wish to disclose personal information about the band. --SaltyWater 14:18, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] You're Not Alone

He's bullied many people in the past (Nick Boulevard, Leonig Mig, tried to bully me, etc.), i'd just copy what you told me to the Arb Com Member's Talk Pages and ask an opinion on how to make him stop, preferrable a WP:TROLL related injunction. karmafist 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

The above is a lie and a personal attack, contrary to Wikipedia policy, and should be removed by a neutral third party, ASAP (please feel free to remove this at the same time). Andy Mabbett 15:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Edit sumamries

Please provide edit sumamries when you edit a page. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 15:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, sorry. I've been told off for that before. I will try and remember to provide them in future. Thanks. --SaltyWater 15:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello Salty!

I need to prepare The Clearlake DAB. There are many Clearlake parks, lakes, towns, cities, activities, counties & municipalities and I need to list them to be linked.

Would you title the band Clearlake, Clearlake, the Band? Thank you so much, Lakelover

[edit] Thank-you!

Thank-you Salty! I'll do my best. You see I am just discovering Wiki and I love it! Lakelover 12:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Lakelover

[edit] British Sea Power names

Please quit this deletion unless you want an RfC. They can call themselves Wibby, Wobby, Woo and Wanko for all I care, but while their real names are on record in published sources (e.g. [3]) it's available information for inclusion in the articles, in line with articles on other musicians who work under pseudonyms such as Sting (musician) and Fish (singer). Tearlach 02:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

It isn't me... SaltyWater 02:18, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

No doubt, but I have to assume collusion as you've made similar deletions in the past, and have edited the articles since 216.80.64.26 (talk • contribs)'s deletions and haven't corrected them. This has gone on long enough: further deletions of the names, from you or anyone, will be treated as vandalism. Tearlach 02:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. I refuse to re-add the content, as I personally think it is wrong. However I will not remove anything as I know I can't. I am not 216.80.64.26 (talk • contribs). Please don't accuse me of things I haven't done. I have nothing to do with this. SaltyWater 02:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

as I personally think it is wrong

That, despite it being counterintuitive, is a feeling we all have to get over (believe me, I have been there myself). The sole criterion is what published sources say. Verifiability, not truth, and all that. Tearlach 02:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to re-add them if/when they're removed, but I'm not going to get in the way of the being re-added. And I'm not going to remove them myself because I can't. Simple as that. This has nothing to do with me. I'm not causing any problems, am I? SaltyWater 02:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abuse

Falsely labelling a bona fide edit as vandalism is abuse. Desist Andy Mabbett 17:39, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Removing content from Wikipedia is considered vandalism. SaltyWater 17:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Andy is considered to be a mabbett, and is best ignored. Pigsontherag 04:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. SaltyWater 09:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Morrisey

Wikipedia demands we source our claims./ Please source that anyone mentioned admires morrisey or you are putting false and misleading information in the Wikipedia. Why do you want to do that? Are you wanting the vaklidity of wikipedia to disappear. the rukles state sourcing of all m,aterial musty opccur. Read the bit about verifiabiluity before pressing the edit button, SqueakBox 14:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Please look closely at my edit. SaltyWater 16:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

And take more care over your typing next time you come to mess up my talk page. SaltyWater 21:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ban this liar.

Why do you claim to have started 'The Boy Who Ran Away ' when it clearly DOES NOT EXIST.

Bastard

xxMe677 22:01, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:MorrisseyPromo2006.jpg

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I don't understand what any of that means but the image is a promo photo from his official website, True to You, so I presume it's free to be used anywhere. Hope this helps. SaltyWater 22:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, that site is not his official website its a fanzine. We have an image free of copyright for Morrissey so that should go at the top of the article. If you want to use that photo at the top you need to email the website owner and ask if they own the copyright to the photo, if they do will they release it under a free license such as Creative Commons or GFDL. Thanks Arniep 22:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

It is officially endorsed by Morrissey and his label, Sanctuary Records. The image is a promotional photograph, which has been used in a number of press articles etc. SaltyWater 22:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter whether it's officially endorsed, also please do not use confrontational edit summaries such as "anyone with a brain can tell". As I said before as we already have a free image of Morrissey we can't use any copyrighted photo under fair use which stipulates in the absence of a free alternative. I'm sure Morrissey would agree to license one of those photos under a free license if you asked him. Arniep 12:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah whatever. SaltyWater 12:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article fail

I only failed the article because some of the claims were not cited by primary sources, such as the live performance descriptions. By adding a few citations on claims like that, you can easily get this promoted. — Deckiller 23:02, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your help. I'll work on it. SaltyWater 23:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date prefs

The Avoid overlinking dates section of WP:MOSDATE is a subset of the Date formatting section. So, I think unless there is a strong reason applies only to dates which are incomplete (as it describes them). When formatting does not apply, the only reason to bracket dates is for relevance, and/or broader understanding; but, in cases where formatting will work, the MOS says not required to link full dates, but most full dates in Wikipedia are linked...

There is a long discussion ongoing about overlinking dates in general (see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#linking of dates if you want). The focus has mostly been on incomplete dates.

I'll refrain from reverting the article again, but thought I'd explain my rationale for the changes. Neier 13:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah whatever. SaltyWater 14:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Adminship

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[edit] Image Tagging Image:MysteryJetsTheBoyWhoRanAway.jpg

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It's the cover of a single taken, is that okay? I presume so as there is space in the single infobox for artwork and I haven't seen problems before. I don't know what to do about it though to help. SaltyWater 12:28, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut and paste moves

Agh! I didn't know you were going to cut and paste everything. I guess you didn't notice the 'move' button at the top. Not to worry, anyway, I'll soon fix it. Cut and paste moves are bad because they destroy the edit history, which causes copyright problems (see WP:CUTPASTE). If you want to move a page in future, you should use the move button, or if it needs help from an admin, ask at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Don't let me catch you again! :) Flowerparty☀ 00:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm really sorry! I tried using move but it didn't work, didn't realise you needed an admin to help. Apologies again! SaltyWater 00:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, it's all fixed now, I believe. I think you were right about the move, anyway: now that I've sorted out the links, compare Special:Whatlinkshere/The Fall (the band article) to Special:Whatlinkshere/The Fall (novel) - seems pretty clear-cut to me. Take care. Flowerparty☀ 01:11, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quizmania & The Mint presenters AfDs

Please leave the deletion reviews on the presenter pages. Other similar pages have been deleted and there is no resaon why these articles should be on Wikipedia. 86.128.58.182 21:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you SaltyWater, this guy above has been leaving so many AFDs on wikipedia. Keep up the good work (Timclare 13:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC))

Ta Sir. SaltyWater 14:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Childhood Memories

Are you sure that the single and album versions are the same? I have two versions, one from the US version of "The Decline of…" The other version I have sounds very different; it is slower and less uptempo. I assumed that it was the single version, which was the reason for my revision. What could it be then? I appreciate your insight. -Obi-Jon 01:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

There were two demos doing the rounds on the internet. They're 3:42 and 3:36 long, and more mellow (haven't listened to them for a while but I think one or both may not have the "move a little faster" ending). So it might be one of those. All the Best, SaltyWater 10:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Mine is 3:36, so I assume it's one of those. Thanks, Obi-Jon 01:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MoS date links

Hey up, Salty. Good work with the formatting here. The MoS doesn't say to delink all dates, however - if there is a month, day and year, then the date has to be linked for users' date preferences to work, so '28th March 2006' is no good. See WP:DATE for some gripping reading :) Flowerparty☀ 02:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

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He's not a fucking idiot. Oh, actually... Me677 15:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh. SaltyWater 15:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Links section

Hi SaltyWater, I´m beginner at wikipedia, so you problably can help me, I see you always keeping the Moz page OK. I have a website with Smiths and Morrissey bootlegs, more than 300 cover artwork is available to download, and a lot of gigs too, I put the site as a fanpage in The Smiths section of wikipedia. Please visit my site at www.akiraware.com and tell me if I can put the site too in the Moz links section fan sites or if my site can be considered spam because it already listed in another page, if the last one option no problem, I will not bore again Regards, Akira

Thanks for the message. I don't think that site would really be relevant in the links section, especially as I think bootlegs are illegal material. Nice site though. But what do I know - if you really want it add it it might be worth starting a discussion on the Morrissey talk page but I'd be guessing it's best not to put it there. Thanks, SaltyWater 17:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, I will not put in the links i´m looking for a opinion and yours is really helpfull to me, thanks a lot.

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[edit] Getting Kendal to featured article status

I see you've made some edits to Kendal in the past and I was wondering if you would like to try and get the article to featured article status? I've set up a subpage which can be found at Kendal/featured article to create the new page in (I've done this so the Kendal entry doesn't get distrupted whilst all the alterations are made), I've also put some suggsted headers in place (I've had a look at the Weymouth page, as this is featured article status. Let me know if your interested and we'll take it from their, cheers RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 16:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Neal Bishop

There was no need for that. Please be civil. -- Mattythewhite 18:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah Jim. Bastard. I'm in MCR on Wednesday with me mum. Fancy a slap up meal on the house? Would need to be around 5pm Me677 22:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

How's 5:30? SaltyWater 11:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Suits me fine - we'll find a place to eat around 5 but you can join when you want. Free food innit. Mattythewhite - fancy a day out? Come along if you want, would be nice to meet a fellow York fan. If not, I'll see you at the York match on Tuesday night - free from discussion pages, edit history and pointless rules which get in the way of living life. Me677 14:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Coolio, give me a ring about half 5 then. I'll pay for my meal though innit. SaltyWater 15:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place of social discussion. -- Mattythewhite 12:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Fuck you. SaltyWater 15:17, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mattythewhite (talk • contribs) 15:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

Serious offer though, Matty - come to Manchester. Jim and myself will have a good chat about York. I mean, really, what's wrong with a little distraction? Me677 16:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark Prindle record reviews

Hi SaltyWater. I was disappointed to see that you removed my links to Mark Prindle record reviews from some of The Fall's album articles for being "spam", having spent over an hour this afternoon adding Prindle's reviews to all of The Fall's major releases!

I believe that Prindle's reviews, while not professional reviews in the strictest sense, still do merit inclusion in Wikipedia album articles under a broad interpretation of the Wikiproject: Albums guidelines, and in light of the facts that Prindle has been a web institution for over a decade, he has worked as a professional music writer in the past, and his profile is high enough to warrant his own Wikipedia article. (In the interest of full disclosure, I do not know Mr. Prindle personally.) What's more, I only added his reviews to Fall album articles because I had seen them on various Melvins and The Jesus Lizard album articles first.

Perhaps this is still a grey area and warrants further discussion?Dalyzach 03:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok. Just add them back. I was drunk when I did it. SaltyWater 14:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)