User talk:SallyScot

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[edit] SallyScot

This is my talk page ~ please feel free to add any pertinent points.

[edit] Salvia divinorum spam

hiya. first, thanks for keeping an eye on the salvia article. second--keep an eye on yazazen, who hit that today with a link here:justsayonce.g2gm.com/, and on ayahausca, s/he added justsayonce.g2gm.com/whats_new.html. on ayahuasca they used an anon ip, 71.113.218.142. This is getting kinda out of hand . . .

when people spam an article, its also a good idea to drop a warning on their page so they know what they're doing and so repeat offenders are more easily recognized. a list of all template message can be found here.

I really have very little patience for people selling ayahuasca pills and advertising salvia as a great legal high. So if you spot these links again, drop me a note and i'll block the spammer.

cheers

--heah 03:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

hiya- i blocked 65.x.x.x for a month, and the other ip will be blocked for a month as well whenever he does it again. --heah 06:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Salvia divinorum - Header levels

Please see the bottom of Talk:Salvia divinorum. Thanks. --Burstroc 00:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Salvia divinorum

Please stop doing what you are doing to it. Wikipedia is not censored, and from the sound of it, the quote is a bit biased. If you want to do what you are doing, discuss it on the talk page of the article first and get a majority consensus. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 12:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR warning

I agree with the previous post by Nwwaew, and would also like to note that this is the third time you've reposted this content within the last 24 hours. Per WP:3RR you may be blocked if you continue. Your contributions to Salvia divinorum are valuable - and surely there has got to be something about Rep. Paul Ray you can post that's verifiable. Please stop it with the persistent reposting of this nonsense chat-board quote. Reswobslc 17:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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It's unclear what's meant by Nwwaew's comment "Wikipedia is not censored". I added the following quote from House Representative Paul Ray...

"What I am doing is not to protect the morons that use drugs, it is to protect the public from morons that use drugs"

(added to what's now the Legal status of Salvia divinorum article with regard to his proposal to ban Salvia divinorum in the State of Utah)

Nwwaew removes this, i.e. censors it (literally two minutes after its re-inclusion), then comments "Wikipedia is not censored".

And as to "the quote is a bit biased": - Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy (NPOV) does not mean that we may only include reference to other views that we editorially assess as being in themselves balanced and unbiased. In fact, the policy states - "all significant published points of view are to be presented" and "Readers are left to form their own opinions". Neutral point of view is "not the absence or elimination of viewpoints".

I'm always prepared to engage in reasonable discussion (I'm not saying the quote's inclusion isn't debatable), but, please, try to make points which could be clearly considered as actually being relevant.

As to Reswobslc's issuing of a 3RR warning: - If my edits to the article are properly treated as rewordings, attempts to move things on, noting their supporting talk page entries and invitations to further discussion, then the 3RR is clearly inappropriate (and, if anything, Reswobslc is more the 3RR offender).

I suggest some misunderstandings of Wikipedia policy here - see Talk:Legal status of Salvia divinorum for further discussion.

--SallyScot 17:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I hate barnstars, but I am impressed by your untiring work to Salvia divinorum, to the point that I check your work to find out what's new on SD in my state before I bother to check the news. Reswobslc 18:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, many thanks. --SallyScot 00:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media stories link

I think your list of media stories is just fine, and are not only not excessive, but highly relevant. They are essentially references for each of the claims made for each individual state, and so they're almost mandatory. I wouldn't worry about disclaiming the quantity of links you have. The more the better. In fact it would probably make them more valuable to include the US state for each one (for the US) so that it mimics the US state list (whether done with a heading, or simply perhaps the name of the state as the first word of each link, as in...

  • Utah, Duane Cardall, KSL (link)...

-Reswobslc 21:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks. I've followed the format given for an article in the Harvard referencing section of course, but I guess we could tweak that in this case if it was felt to be useful. Personally, I'd like to keep them in descending date order, but perhaps the format for US entries could ensure inclusion of State without too much change at all e.g.

There may also be a case for <div class="references-small"> e.g.

I'd quite like to keep some kind of disclaimer as well to be honest, just to clarify. Yes, the stories need to be referred to as they're part of the overall Salvia phenomena, but I like to clearly ensure they're not bestowed with undue credibility. I do take your point though, so I'll maybe think some more about that before we get into further discussion.

--SallyScot 23:11, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Web forums

In general, links to discussion forums are considered inappropriate for Wikipedia articles. That line in WP:EL makes an exception for forums that are themselves the subject of the article. For example, the article about the web forum YTMND could have a link to the YTMND. So I think the links I removed should probably go, but I won't revert. Deli nk 19:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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OK thanks. I misread what it was saying as "shares the same subject", but scanning it again I can see your interpretation is strictly correct. So in that case I'd maybe argue more generally for exception, e.g. along WP:IAR lines or some such. The forums are part of the overall Salvia phenomena, worthy of inclusion on that basis perhaps.

--SallyScot 21:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

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