Talk:Sally Kirkland

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Contents 1 Kirkland Institute for Implant Survival Syndrome 2 What sources are needed? 3 Academy nominee 4 External links

[edit] Kirkland Institute for Implant Survival Syndrome

I've removed the link again. No offense is intended. I'm sure that this institute is important to her, but it needs to be demonstrated with a verifiable, reliable source. Then the institute could be mentioned in the body of the article itself, and references given to both the source and to the institute itself. Linking to the institute from the External links section without any mention of it elsewhere looks like an attempt at promotion, which goes against WP:EL and WP:SPAM. --Ronz 17:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

(Removed) This link is important to Sally Kirkland's life work. I am restoring it. Ronz, please leave me alone. (Removed). Thank you. Ilena 17:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

If that's the way you feel about people trying to help you then maybe it's time to start taking everyone's advise to heart - Wikipedia is not a place for your hostility. --Ronz 21:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Ilena, if you cannot support your edits with verifiable resources, then you will forever see your edits be removed. It's nothing personal. It's how editing on wikipedia is done. I've given you detailed guidance on how to get the content you want into this article. I'm sorry that you've chosen to attack me rather than take my help for what it is. --Ronz 22:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the references slightly. It still needs a verifiable source, and any editor has full right to remove the institute link until supporting source is added. --Ronz 22:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

is this link useful? http://www.the-vu.com/kirkland.htm I'm not sure if it is a reliable source but it does seem to be written by an independant party. David D. (Talk) 06:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually looking a little more, it does not seem much more than a place where anyone can publish a piece. Not sure if this is useful for wikipedia. Anyone heard of this site before? David D. (Talk) 06:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the link. Ilena maintains the website, so by her including it she violated WP:COI and WP:SPAM. --Ronz 16:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and switched it to an external link. -- Dēmatt (chat) 18:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

The arguments above still stand, plus the more times it's added without addressing the issues above, the more it looks promotional. --Ronz 19:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I went through that, too, then I did a Google search and the Institute does exist,[1],[2], [3]. It seems to be part of Sally Kirkland's life. The question then became, why not link it? I couldn't come up with a good reason. -- Dēmatt (chat) 19:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I concur. There is no good reason to delete it now. -- Levine2112 ^discuss 02:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. See my previous arguments. We could use better sources for verification, and it would be better to introduce it as a properly sourced reference rather than an external link. --Ronz 21:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, as I read this article it's about her movie career. So my question is about the external links. The only one that I see that might be appropriate is the last one. Her fight about breast implants, don't they belong somewhere else? I also have to agree with Ronz on why they should be deleted, sorry. --Crohnie 13:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry misread the last paragraph about her activities about breast implants. I still think that the two external links should be removed. --Crohnie 14:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the IMDB link is pretty useful since it is being kept up to date. I might be wrong, but I think it's fairly standard to include IMDB for actors. --Ronz 15:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What sources are needed?

I have a lot of information and background on Ms Kirkland. I am not sure what sources are being requested to take the questionability away from this article. If someone would specifically let me know what is needed I feel certain I can locate the information and references. She has been the subject of much press and several articles have been written about her that I have access to. Thank you. I look forward to working here to make this a fine, encyclopeia article. Ilena 18:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) is an example of a well-sourced article. --Ronz 00:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academy nominee

Her status as an academy nominee is not in doubt. But the whole category is being deleted so there is no point trying to revert the bot. See the discussion here. David D. (Talk) 18:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I see. Thanks. Ilena 19:34, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Just a question since I am just learning the rules here. Shouldn't the external links be removed? It was brought to my attention when I first started here about the arbitration going on with Barrett Vs Rosenthal. The external links have the Humantic Foundation through out the links plus Ms. Rosenthal said she was the one doing the websites. Is there another link that can be used without all of this? --Crohnie 13:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It's tricky. On one hand, Ilena added the links against COI and after she said she was going to find ways to add websites to wikipedia that link to her website. If she ever tries to edit this again, there should probably be some attention brought to the situation. On the other hand, it does appear to be her official site. The Institute is another matter, being so far nothing than a page where it appears Ilena is just promoting herself and her agendas in Kirkland's name. --Ronz 15:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I understand, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question.--Crohnie 15:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

With the arbitration over, should the external links now be deleted? --Crohnie 20:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly. It's time to cleanup after the mess. --Ronz 23:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The other two also link to that site. Is there a site where the external links do not show up? --Crohnie 16:24, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we have a choice about the official site given WP:EL, "Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site if any." I don't have any doubts that it is her official site.

I think the link to the Internet Movie Database should be kept as well. It's pretty much an accepted standard for cases like this. --Ronz 16:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)