Talk:Salishan languages
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I've converted the SAMPA to IPA, but wasn't sure about the ' symbol. It is supposed to represent palatalisation in SAMPA (or X-SAMPA), so I've shown it as ʲ, but I've sometimes seen it used in Sampa as a stress marker (strict SAMPA " ).
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[edit] Sinixt? ("Lakes")
I'd add Sinixt to the list of languages but I'm not sure where it goes; in Okanagan-Colville I think. It was the language spoken in the Arrow Lakes but that nation is officially extinct in Canada, although I understand there are some survivors/inheritors among the Colville or Sanpoil or one of the neighbouring US tribes. Might be considered a dialect of one of those, or of Okanagan. BTW the Nicola Valley name for the Okanagan people there is Syilx (or is it Siylx?)Skookum1 20:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Features
What is a "generalized sound system"?--Al Bargit
[edit] Consistency in links!
I just noticed the most recent change:
- Columbian (a.k.a. Columbia, Nxaʔamxcín)
- [[Upper Columbia United Tribes|Columbian]]''' (a.k.a. Columbia, Nxaʔamxcín)
...and remarked on it for two reasons; one, I've never hear of a people or language named "Columbian" (and I thought I knew my stuff, for a layman) and the other is that the link is not to a language but to a government. Other links are to ethno/people articles, or individual community articles; and in some cases the breakdown is by political affiliation/community, and not by dialect; is Katzie a different dialect of Halqemeylem from Kwantlen, for example, and "Tait" links to that family name; all it is in an Indian Reserve name near Chilliwack, ditto Skway. The links should be to language articles only if they're supposed to represent dialects within the language(s); fine to have a list of which communities/nations speak/use/are associated with which language (or languages, with multi-tribal organizations/agencies/reservations/tribal councils); but a clear delineation should be going on here between language articles/links and those concerning the peoples/communities. This means a lot more articles, because there's language articles needing doing...."false links" give the impression, also, that such articles already exist; better to have redlinks to indicate that they don't...Skookum1 19:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Also, care should be taken to use the native-preferred spellings, vs the linguistics-preferred ones; I have no idea how Nxaʔamxcín would come out, especially if it's extinct, but in the case of Nlaka'pamux their version doesn't look like the one linguists prefer and which is listed here; this gets tanglier when it's an issue of this being English-language Wikipedia vs a wikipedia in any other language (see Talk:Squamish Nation and its corresponding articles linked there, or Kwakiutl language vs the local controversy about whether a certain main article should be Kwakiutl/Kwakawkwa'wakw]], with the implicit debate in that as to whether "Kwakiutl language" is a valid name for an article, or it should be "Kwak'wala" (precedents for the latter case exisst with Nuxalk language and St'at'imcets, instead of "Bella Coola language" and "Lillooet language", for instance - and St'at'imcets isn't even close to traditional anglicizations of "Stlatliumh" and "Stl'atl'imx" so is an imposition of a non-English orthographic system in English. Anyway, just a concern here about preferred forms vs what linguists prefer; I know linguists compiled this page (Hi User:Ish Ishwar, and User:billposer, hoping you'll weigh in on this) but "consistency" across the non-linguistics First Nations/Native American articles is what I'm on about here, and not just abhout titling; as also with the consistency in the links raised in the paragraph above.Skookum1 19:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Okanagan language
Will one of you linguists please write this? It's a big gap in the BC languages coverage in Wikipedia; almost everything else is in there, including several subdialects of Carrier, but there's nothing on Okanagan language (Siylx'tsn by one spelling I've seen), nor on the Okanagan people, either stateside or in the King George Illahee.Skookum1 19:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
