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He or she? The articel talks about "he" but it seems that David has choosen to let Salad Fingers to be female: In episode 7 the loading-screen says "... she loads" and in the same episode one can see Salad Fingers in a dress on stage...

"she loads" seems to be referring to the flash animation itself as a she. This is not unusual - someone admiring an object will often say "she's a beauty, isn't she?" etc.
Salad fingers is male, thats why on the website, under fan stuff. he calls the woman dressed as salad fingers "Mrs. Fingers"
Salad fingers does not appear to be female, refer to episode three when he has his shirt off...the body is of a male not female. Darktrial 03:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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"He can lactate (shown in ep. 3), which is uncharacteristic of males."?? In episode 3 he only appears to lactate because either of the nettles' juice coming out of said nettle or because of some form of pus coming out of his nipple. Removing quoted text. ---

Why has there been, thus far no mention of the borrowed themes, and appropriation of Chris Morris' work, namely Blue Jam/Jam? In very many ways, Salad fingers (and Firth's other work) is a pastiche of Jam, and is entirely reliant on the same formula. Why it hasn't been previously considered worries me; it seems this article currently has no real level of depth or impartiality. It needs more objectivity and have more appropriate criticism.

Wikipedia is user compiled- that means, if you know something that isn't on the page already, then write it.

Hi! I ported in all the episode summaries and edited as I saw fit. Please go wild with corrections. Phorque 17:24, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

This should be under Salad Fingers IMO. Eszett 01:17, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree... but I'm not sure how to make redirects so I'm going to leave it here for the moment. SECProto 00:59, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Done. You do it using the "Move this page" link to the left. Kuralyov 05:35, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps someone should compile a list of symbols in each of the episodes? Fnar 07:23, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

salad fingers 7 has just been released.

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[edit] Amount of info

I wonder if people need that much info on this article. Much of it are just obvious details that don't really add much to the article as a whole, and anyone who actually takes the time to watch the movies would certainly come across them. So, I believe that's uncalled for. Anyone thinks the same? – Kaonashi 12:25, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Not I. Plenty of articles have obsessive amounts of trivial information; and besides, isn't the ebauty of Wikipedia that it allows people to write as much as they want about any topic they want? Leave it up, I say, it's not harming anyone. Kuralyov 00:38, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not paper a rusty spoon. Heh heh. --BesigedB 22:44, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What happened to my 2,000 word thesis on Salad Fingers? I can see moving the theory off the main page because people think it doesn't belong there, but to delete the whole thing without even contacting me!? That took a couple hours just to get the thing on here and include the other widely accepted theories Kyle Michelson

The content that was removed from this page is currently being judged if it'll stay in Wikipedia or not. On the theories page you mentioned yourself. Until people decide what to do, nothing should be moved to this page. As for deleting things without contacting you, that's no the way Wikipedia works. Whenever you edit an article, you can see a part that reads "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it", in the bottom of the page. It means anything you add will be changed, and no, nobody is going to warn the original author. Not for ask for permission either.
Wikipedia is not the place for personal essays. Read that too.--Kaonashi 05:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Alright, so is it possible then to include a link to my essay on the main page for salad fingers? The author contacted me to post the essay for the site, and because of this, I thought it might have been alright to post it here. Point taken, but even though you're following the rules of wikipedia, how about the common courtesy of providing a place for the author to get back his information? I wrote and changed a lot in the wikipedia article, so it would help if I had that to go on for the link I'll provide if that's allowed. I can't find your e-mail address. Instead of wasting space here, want to contact me at michelsonk@comcast.net?

Hold on a second. "Providing a place for the author to get back his information"? What do you mean by that? You mean a place to have his work on the Internet? That's another thing Wikipedia is not. It is fine to provide a link to that essay here, yes. No problem on that, as long as it's just one, and not several. Also, don't worry about talking about this on this page. The discussion is pertaining. If you have something else you need to discuss, you can use my talk page.--Kaonashi 05:21, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I missed some information in the link you gave. I'll post the essay in Meta or whatever it's called, the offshoot of Wiki that allows this. Scratch that last part, but as for saving information, I mean a page that would have information about a delete. Something where it shows WHAT has been edited out, the history of a delete. If I can find a page like that I could copy the information and bring it over to Meta. It's not critical, but it would make things easier.

All the content that was ever added to an article can be found on its history. The previous version of this one is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salad_Fingers&oldid=21619424

--Kaonashi 05:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thank you very much Kaonashi. I tried to find the history but couldn't locate that page. What's the debate about the Salad Fingers Theory page though? If Wikipedia isn't a place for personal opinion, then there should be no argument over it. I'll contact the author and copy his article. I guess we can post both of our theories on Meta if the Theory page gets scrapped.

No problem. About that discussion, I'm not sure you you saw it. It's here. People are discussing about whether some of that content should be merged into this article or not. Still needs consensus.--Kaonashi 05:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Last thing then: If parts of the Theories page merge with the main page, will it be OK for me to re-post my original material? If you're talking about content there that has nothing to do with the author's analyzation of episodes 1-6, would it be ok then to have a Theories section on the main page like I had before, but just have links to the Meta pages for our essays? I would prefer to have more exposure to our articles than what would be given if the links were posted in "External Links" because there is a lot of helpful information there for people to read. It wouldn't distract from the main page and only be a few lines long...Thanks for your help Kaonashi.

I don't know if the theories article has anything you wrote on it. If decided, some of its content might be merged into the Salad Fingers article. You might feel like adding something of your own to it, later, but then people will look at it and decide it it's good for staying there or not, just the same way. It's all about teamwork. Things are never done by a person alone.
And well, if you really need a place for hosting your work, you can try a hosting service. Also, there are probably sites devoted to things like this. If you do a little research, I'm sure you'll find something interesting for you. I believe right on Fat-Pie's forums you can find clues.--Kaonashi 06:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thesis link

Posted by 81.79.108.158:

"Can someone link me to the theory website please?"

Looks like the link to that site is http://www.freewebs.com/saladfingers/, but it's not available anymore and I can't find anything else about it. Sorry. --Kaonashi 02:14, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which... Where IS the Theories entry on Wikipedia? LindsayW 06:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed! I recently discovered Salad Fingers and have become very interested in its cult following. I was excited by the mention of a theory page in the article, but was unable to find a link to it. After some googling I found this - is this the one you are talking about? Should it be linked to in the external links section? I haven't added it myself since it seems like this is under discussion / in flux. --Jacquesjean 13:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

This article and the David Firth one get a lot of vandalism. Does anyone know why? I'm curious. I can't think of a good reason.--Kaonashi 23:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Probably because of the recent release Salad Fingers 6 [1][2], there has been a revival of interest in the series and Firth's work, which is unfortunately bound to attract vandalism on the articles' contents.
I'm also suspecting this being related to a number of people's unease of Firth's subject matter, which features gore and violence in certain movies; Milkman being one of the more notable in the type. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding 13:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC) ╫

The content of his works might be the reason, but these articles have always suffered of vandalism. It's pretty weird if you ask me. But, who knows.--Kaonashi 01:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Episode discussion (Under development)

(I'm thinking about adding this section in. If people like where this is going, I'll tidy this one up and also write similar pieces about the other episodes. Any comments? Please feel free to make edits yourself or even move it into the main article. --Billpg 01:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC) )

I think it's a great idea, but if you've ever been to David Firth's homepage you'll see that these episodes can generate a lot of discussion and controversy, and might even need to be moderated considering the most exposure this cartoon gets is on the site Newgrounds where immaturity reigns. We've also got a major problem with the organization of this Wiki entry. What we have are the main page, the discussion of the main page, and also the Theories page if it gets passed. There's probably too much information to put everything on the front page, so do you think we could merge the discussion with the theories or vice versa? And should the episode synopsis go here, or on the front page? Currently it exists in both. Some major reorganizing has to be done here Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005


I like some of these theories, it does however need to be worked on a little but this is what a discussion thread is. For example, i believe the Spoon is actually an object of control for Salad Finger's cannibal/sexual impulses. The fact that it is rusty is that the rust is perhaps a substitute of dry blood, or perhaps a token of the past which we do not know about. We know Salad Fingers has a fetish for liquid and other textured items so it will be sensible.When the crow takes away the spoon in ep. 5 he may have lost his control which is why he freaked about it. The crow is an obvious bad omen, or perhaps it is his conscience? Did he murder the girl? there was definately something wrong at that point. for one there is a grave so someone has died 2)Marjory is possibly someone Salad Fingers had married or was going to marry, as there was a wedding dress 3) MABLE is an anagram of BLAME, PEASE PUDDING is A PUDDING SEEP. Knowing the nature of the series involving liquid this girl was possibly murdered(perhaps poisoned), since she talked really angrily gritting her teeth and asking "what's wrong, Mr. Fingers?" "Do you not like my mouth words?".

I also think the Butcher scene was a flashback from the past, if you regard the nature of episode 6 and compare it to the butcher scene we get some picture that the rusty nail may have reminded him of the past. Hubert Cumberdale wears a butcher's suit, this probably infers that either a) Salad Fingers knows of a Hubert Cumberdale who was a butcher or b) Salad Fingers was the alter-ego Hubert Cumberdale going from the revelations of episode 6 (the bad personality consuming the good personality). Any reason why Hubert Cumberdale could be a butcher? perhaps he is Salad Fingers evil side, and that all the meat hanging up is maybe Salad Finger's old victims, mysteriously there are chunks and hand prints on the meat.

I look forward to this discussion, if you ever want to get in touch by msn do so on raddicks@hotmail.com and we can get some ideas going. i think we can make this article an impressive one --Raddicks 18:45, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

The current theories are sound and seemed to be finalised, well done everyone involved. I believe that the Theories should have its own page yet the synopsis be on the main page, and maybe have an internal link on each episode synopsis heading so the reader can distinguish theory from fact. This maybe easier on the eye, any thoughts? of course, my opinion may be subject to change depending on wikipedian decision --Raddicks 21:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that seems like a good plan. I think right now the main page would be too cluttered if the theories were on there as well. Let's do it! -- MacAddct1984 21:52, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, good idea Jeremy! Hopefully people can live with three pages for this series though. Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005
I think all factual information should remain on the main Salad Fingers page while the speculation should be moved to the Salad Fingers theories page. -- MacAddct1984 22:03, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
Hopefully the people that have the existence of the Theories page in question will change their minds after seeing how much there really is to analyze in the series, and that merging with the main page would make a mess. I'm not even done writing the theories yet!Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005
Just switched my VfD vote to Abstain. I'm not convinced it needs a separate page, but I think the theory page should have a bit more time to prove itself. --Billpg 22:18, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Shall we move (or delete) the "Is it art" and "Humor" from the Theories page, and wipe it clean except for the "Themes" section because this part isn't based on fact? When that page is cleaned up I'll edit the theories out of this page and move them over there. By the end of the week I should have the theories complete. Kyle Michelson 23 August 2005

haha, just noticed that someone beat me to it....wow that was a fast move, very good work!

[edit] <!--Discussion-->

I wrote much of the Ep1 and Ep2 summeries as a discussion/theory. Since thats moved to a new page, I think that parts of the episode summary I wrote should either be moved into theories or deleted. Thoughts?

i think its alright, maybe episode 2 needs to be a little more concise. for example, if you talk about the song 'somewhere over the rainbow', just say he sings it, and maybe in the theories page just say 'the song could possibly represent...' if you get what i mean i hope that helps. --Raddicks 03:11, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking the size of the summaries may call for a salad fingers episode guide. Anyone keen to set up a new page? Phorque 20:08, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the Episode Summaries are totally out of control and desperately need a rewrite, hence the cleanup tag. They are not summaries at all, rather frame-by-frame accounts of the whole episode. A summary should be a "brief statement of the main points" and not a script. If people want detailed episode guides then by all means go and create a separate article, likewise for theories and conjecture. As it reads these 'summaries' are turgid, unreadable and far too detailed. SaintedLegion 12:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Does it have screamers?

I'm tempted to see Salad Fingers, but does it have screamers? I really don't want to see any.

The first and second episodes have some "screamers" - but they are not really traditional screamers in the sense that nothing odd pops up, the volume remains the same, and they are preceded by a moment of calm that sort of alerts you that something's coming. In later episodes (three and four, for example), there are characters who scream but their facial expressions and body language make it obvious that it's coming. As long as you keep the volume on a sensible setting and know that only mild things await, you should be fine.

[edit] Characters on teeth/name

I just added a bit about the letter m and é appearing on his teeth. I didn't notice until just today, and only by zooming in. What's up with that? Also, in that same section it says his name may be Salad Fingers because his fingers look like a sort of cucumber (which may appear in salad?), but I always thought it was his name because his fingers resembled.. salad fingers. Isn't that the name of the utensil used to serve salad? It is like a large fork connected to a spoon, and the "fingers" scoop up the salad into the spoon similar to a hand (fingers) do.EgyptianSushi 04:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

This subject has been extensively discussed and everyone pretty much came to the conclusion that the writing means nothing. Firth even made fun of the theorists in his "Milkman" flash for saying otherwise, although you probably wouldn't have recognized it. The letters vary from an accented "e", to an "m", possible an "l", and also a foyf" who I believe is a DJ. Together, or apart, they mean nothing. Kyle Michelson 14:18, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Foyf is Firth. He used to call himself DJ Foyf; now he's Locust Toybox. -WindFish 03:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Glitches and Easter Eggs

In all Salad Fingers episodes, there are usually some parts of images and objects (such as characters) that extend beyond the borders of the aspect ratio of the movie. One can only see this by viewing the movie as a stand-alone in the browser or player, by opening the actual .swf file rather than viewing the movie embedded in an HTML page (which would maintain the aspect ratio of the view). Because the movie will always dynamically size itself to be as big as possible within the dimensions of the browser window without distorting its aspect ratio, at any given time, one can view only the extraneous segments on the top and bottom OR on the left and right, depending on whether the horizontal or vertical dimension is the one constraining the movie's size. However, by using Macromedia Flash Player and changing the View setting to 100%, rather than Show All, and maximizing the window, one can see what is on all sides of the normal movie itself.

Removed this section from the article - objects extending outside the boundaries of what will usually be seen are an unavoidable byproduct of Flash animation and not 'glitches'. Instructions how to view these are not relevant to the article. --Richmeister 17:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Attributes

At first glance, Salad Fingers may appear to be a bald, green man wearing a dark green sweater and black trousers. However, he has many attributes which separate him from any normal human, assuming that Salad Fingers is human.

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Is there a better way to word this, or is it deliberately NPOV? AlmostReadytoFly 20:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mable/Mabel

The girl's name is more usually spelled "Mabel". Do we have any reason to spell it "Mable" here? 86.131.94.6 18:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It appears that way on the cartoon.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 01:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article and OR

This article is so bizarre in tone that it meets its subject more than halfway. Do we really need character descriptions of the finger puppets that only appear for 15 seconds? Extensive plot summaries of episodes that are only a minute long? Now that the popularity of this meme has died down I think it's time to do some ruthless cutting of the article. If no one objects in the next couple of days, I will do so.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 01:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay I greatly shortened the episode summaries and character sketches, although I'd like to shorten them even more. I eliminated anything that smacked of OR. With a cartoon like this, it is so tempting to try and say "oh, this seems to be happening because of X" or "that bizarre object could have been a Y or a Z." No one wants to just accept that the cartoon is surreal and doesn't make logical sense. --Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 07:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Is that to say that speculation has no place here, even in an article such as this? Zombieninja101

Yes. Speculation has no place on wikipedia, ever.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 05:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Psychological

I think this aspect of the horror deserves more mention. No, I'm certain it deserves more. I'm sitting here paranoid because of it. I wouldn't do a good job writing it though. Zombieninja101

In various places, the cartoons are called "disturbing" and "surreal", in an objective way. I personally do not find it horrifying, just weird. There are probably message boards (not on wikipedia) where you can share these impressions, but wikipedia is not the place for individual editors to share their impressions of a subject; otherwise we end up with passages that say stuff like "some people have commented that the cartoons are horrifying", which is language explicitly to be avoided (see for example WP:WEASEL). If you find a third party source, article, widely-read blog, or something that refers to what you are feeling, you can use it as a reference and add to the article.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. It was coupled with insomnia anyways. Zombieninja101

Sorry I was curt, this article was a disaster until a couple of weeks ago and I want to try and prevent its old state from creeping back in. I overreact sometimes when I sense someone might be trying to turn a pop-culture article into a discussion board (not what you were doing)-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 18:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't notice. In any case, I retract my initail statement, now realizing that insomnia + Salad fingers = paranoia. Zombieninja101

[edit] Similarities

Well, I've been listening to a lot of Nine Inch Nails recently, and I find the song "I'm looking forward to joining you, Finally" reminds me of Salad Fingers. Anyone else get that? 70.176.46.19 19:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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