Template talk:Sail Types

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[edit] Martingale rigging

I have been adding some info to the sailing articles, and ended up adding the nautical term martingale to the page martingale (fastener). Should that page be added to this template? Perhaps it should be spun off into its own article for expansion and added? --Fxer 16:07, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

I'd say no, because it's really pretty obscure, and since you only find them on i) large boats with ii) a bowsprit, I suspect very few of our readers are going to run into them. I'd suggest we limit it to common things that all sailing vessels have.

One idea though: we could link to Glossary of nautical terms from this template (if we don't already), and make sure it includes links to all the more obscure terms. Noel (talk) 21:06, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, I just added martingale (rigging) to get sail info out of the martingale (fastener) which I think I'm going to move to a different name. So if that's a stub that'll never get filled in, maybe it shd be changed to a redirect to where the term is discussed? Elf | Talk 17:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stay mouse

In an attempt to control template bloat, my suggestion is to remove Stay mouse - it's so obscure, it's not worth including it. Sailing is full of all sorts of obsolete terms (like those little round wooden blocks used for mechanical advantage in tightening the shrouds of old sailing vessels, I'm drawing a blank on their name here momentarily), and we simply can't include them all. We should stick to the ones people are likely to run across in common usage. Noel (talk) 21:27, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I finally remembered the correct name for those things. They are called deadeyes (in case anyone was wondering :-). Noel (talk) 14:37, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sprit

FYI: This template is missing the spar called the sprit and its corresponding rig. -Onceler 10:16, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Obsolete Terms

If this template is to be any use it needs to retain and glory in obsolete terms. The discussion above is amusing. has it paid any heed to the template itself:

"Course | Driver | Extra | Genoa | Gennaker | Jib | Lateen | Mainsail | Moonsail | Spanker | Spinnaker | Spritsail | Staysail | Studding | Tallboy | Topgallant | Topsail | Trysail"

Of those I see 12 out of 18, two thirds of the total, as not in common parlance. Keep the obsolete, glory in being encyclopaedic, and expand the terms. If you think it important enough subdivide the box into "current" and "obsolete"

Fiddle Faddle 12:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, some things are still used in the present, but I don't come across them much in the subset of sailing (monohull small-sport-boat racing) that I engage in... things like mizzen mainsails, staysails, and gybe-preventers come to mind. So if you're going to subdivide, does it have to be based on age and present usefulness? How about dividing on other criteria, like type of rig or type of boat? That way obsolete sails/rig could be grouped with the obsolete boats you find them on...

Infinoid 17:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)