Talk:Saint Sebastian
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[edit] Roots for the name
I was reading "In Xanadu" by William Dalrymple and I found this:
According to Yule almost nothing is known about the historical St Blaise, except that he was the bishop of Sebaste (Roman Sivas) and that he was martyred during the persecutions of Diocletian.
In this section Dalrymple is describing some the history of Sivas - a town in Turkey about 250 kilometers west of the Euphrates.
Maybe St Bliase was St Sebastian, but that's another story. Would it be worth speculating that someone from Sebaste is a Sebastian? Sebaste was a roman town, Sebastian was a roman saint - is it worth putting 2 and 2 together?
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- I'm not sure it is. I'll admit that it sounds intriguing, but at this point, unless you can produce some published sources that show that this theory holds some currency, it's just speculation. It'd make a great topic of conversation over beer and a bag of crisps, but I'm not sure it should go into an encyclopedia. One rule that forbids this sort of thing, I think, is Wikipedia's prohibition against original research. While I don't think you're saying that this is research, my understanding is that this is something you yourself have noticed rather than something you read in a published work. Am I right about this, or have I misunderstood you? —CKA3KA (Skazka) 00:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
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- There seems no way to insert into the taxobox that this Saint Sebastian is by Il Sodoma (Pitti Palace). You'd think it was just a wallet-card or something. Sebastianus is not a Roman cognomen: the derivation "from Sebaste" is not "original" at all, it's inescapable. What else might 'Sebastianus", the Greek analogue of "Augusta" in numerous town names, mean? Which Sebaste: now, that would be original research! --Wetman 20:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gay iconism
This is on the to-do list and has actually been added numerous times (I personally have added it twice), but it never seems to last very long. It seems that some people are so horrified that St. Sebastian is identified with homosexuality that they can't bear the mention of it. Frankly, I don't care if the man was gay or not or whether there is any valid reason for anyone to associate him with homosexual behavior or not. But, in fact, that association has come to be and for the sake of completeness it should be mentioned. Censorship in this sense has no place here--66.253.174.65 09:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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- it doesnt belong without a reference. 216.127.138.184 18:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I have put it in the "popular culture" section, with a reference. Springnuts 21:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
It does not deserve an LGBT banner. I am offended that a Saint deserves such slander! Eedo Bee 12:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
- Slander? That's your POV, and has no place in a Wikipedia article. A source has been provided identifying St. Sebastian as a gay icon. The LGBT banner is there to help identify and improve articles that are interesting to the LGBT wikiproject for several reasons. Just like any other wikiproject banner. What is so offensive about that? Raystorm 13:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
