Talk:Saint Boniface
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[edit] Hello
- Thanks, Malcolm! --—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Conversion script (talk • contribs).
- Inserted a better picture of Boniface--216.120.213.209 15:33, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Murder or execution
The view that Bonifatius was murdered by an angry mob is distinctly christian and relies on the christian side of the story.
As we know from the hagiography, he was known for disrupting germannic religious ceremonies and the article itself mentions the cutting down of sacred trees. It is reasonable to assume, and in fact the hagiography tells us so, he did pretty much the same in Fryslân. However, the Lex Frisiorum and Kestigia, which has survived, explicitly states that this is a capital offence, so the view that he was murdered may be allright from a christian perspective, but it's simply a lawfull execution from a 8th century Frisian view. In the interest of NPOV, this deserves a mention. Dura lex sed lex, after all. Kleuske 10:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
On people who can be killed without a fine: The duellist, who is killed in combat; and the adulterer (note V.1a) and he who is caught in a ditch, which he is digging around [to search through?] the house of another; and he who attempts to set fire to the house of another, who has the torch in his hand, while the flames reach the roof or wall of the house; he who demolishes a shrine; and the child expelled from the womb that is strangled [or: killed without nutrition] by the mother. (note V.1b)
On the honour of the temple: If anyone breaks into a shrine and steals sacred items from there, he shall be taken to the sea, and on the sand, which will be covered by the flood, his ears will be cleft, and he will be castrated and sacrified to the god, whose temple he dishonoured.
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- A historian has done some investigation on this subject, unfortunately it's written in Dutch.
http://www.friesgenootschap.nl/artikelen/bonifatius.htm
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- Summary: The death of Bonifatius is NOT a murder. He was definately seeking his death by breaking all the laws and rules in Frisia Magna. The fact that it was his second attempt to baptise in Frisia, he should have known the rules. His barbaric way of destroying holy temples to prove that his God was the only one, caused his dead.
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- Hereby some information on the historian, he works at the univ of Leiden (this is in English):
http://www.geschiedenis.leidenuniv.nl/index.php3?m=20&c=183
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- The article that is now in the Engish version of Wikipedia is purely based on one source, written down 150-200 after the dead of Bonifatius. This author is Willibald. The purpose of the fairy-tale written by Willibald was to get Bonifatius to the level of a saint, and to blackmail a complete society for a murder. The church extracted gold and money from the Frisians as compensation for this murder. It is one of the reasons why the prosperity of this part of the world came to a halt. Many Frisians emigrated to England. Dumfries is founded by Frisians Cheers, Bornestera 06:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] First European
"He is regarded as the First European". What nonsense. By whom? Only reference is to the St Boniface website which says he is "described as The First European" but gives no source (and, indeed, none of the links work). Deleted this statement. Emeraude 16:43, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
