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Contents 1 Episode numberings 2 Non-NPOV 3 Sailor stars subbed? 4 SuperS 5 Excel Saga reference 6 Robot chicken

[edit] Episode numberings

"Episodes #83-en through #89-en do not exist. At the start of S, the English version's episode numbers were adjusted to match those of the original Japanese version."

Is there a source for this? If so, awesome! --Masamage 19:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I got that notion from YTV's website. When SM was still on the air, YTV had a list of all of the episodes of SM in its rotation on its website. It numbered the original and R episodes from 101-182, and the S and SuperS episodes from 190-266. --  Denelson83  21:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey, look at that. I wonder if that's official, or just a YTV thing? I'll do a search... Maybe I can Youtube up an S-season dub episode and see if the number is listed. --Masamage 21:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The numbers weren't put into the actual episode video. YTV showed the episodes on an "as-is" basis. --  Denelson83  21:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

So I discovered. I'm looking around on Amazon, too, but all I can find is stuff being listed as "episode 4 of Sailor Moon S" and that sort of thing. --Masamage 21:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I note that YTV was the first channel to show the series. Shall we consider that official? --Masamage 20:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I think we should. --  Denelson83  22:49, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

'Kay. I made a note of who did the renumbering, and sourced it. Later tonight I'll change List of Sailor Moon episodes to match. Thanks! --Masamage 00:20, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-NPOV

I removed the last paragraph in the blurb about the English version. It seemed rather POV, and while I agree with what it says, I see no purpose for it in the article. The omited section is repeated here just in case.

The North American version was the first experience with Sailor Moon (if not anime in general) for many anglophones, and the differences between the two versions led to much confusion. However, many fans worldwide would never have known about the series had it not reached North America, and so many regard the North American version as a mixed blessing.

DesireCampbell 140.184.32.65 21:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. You're definitely right that, without a reference, that is POV. And weasel-worded! I think it's actually true, though (and verifiable), so I'll slap a {{fact}} tag on it and we can look around for a citation. Thanks for catching that! --Masamage 00:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

It's also in Sailor_Moon_(English_version)#Alterations. While I think it should be made clear that the English adaptation wasn't perfect, saying "there was an english version, and it sucked" is not enough. Sailor_Moon_(English_version)#Alterations at least explains that there were signifigant changes made in the English version beforehand. I'm not really sure what to do about that (I don't delve too deeply into Wikipedia). So I'll simply point you in that direction and let you 'have at it'.
DesireCampbell 140.184.32.65 16:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again; I plopped a {{fact}} tag on that one, too. I agree this needs to be fixed up, but I'm having trouble thinking of a good way to phrase it. Do you have any suggestions, maybe? --Masamage 20:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. It should be noted that there are many dissimilarities between he language versions, which has been done. But the more I think about it, even though I agree, that paragraph is POV and unnecessary. It's not "fact" it's just someone's opinion. And while it may be a valid one, shared by many, it can't be verified or referenced in any way - and so should probably be removed.
DesireCampbell 140.184.32.65 14:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sailor stars subbed?

Hi, does anyone know if there exists any dvd's of Sailor Stars with english subtitles (except for the bootlegs)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Justwriting (talk • contribs).

Nope; they've never been licensed for English translation, so they don't exist except as fansubs and bootlegs. --Masamage 17:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

There's VKLL, I think they already went out of business. -- RattleMan 17:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Which are bootlegged fansubs! ^_^ Looks like they have indeed gone down, but there are various websites that offer the episodes for free download. --Masamage 18:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi I mailed some company which sells Sailor stars with subtitles. They said they are from some small studio with their own copyrights for season 5. And the box set has 12 DVDs!?! Actually I don't believe it but I'm gonna ask more. But does anyone knows if this could be the truth, about that copyright stuff? -- justwriting

Sounds extremely suspicious to me. :/ --Masamage 20:42, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I found this guide--does that help? --Masamage 21:26, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

i got stars dub dvd from uk2usa.com it has four dvds you can also get all of the sesionsSailor cuteness 20:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it's a bootleg. >_>;; --Masamage 01:08, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

eck dose that meen that the translations all wrong ?Sailor cuteness 16:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily; I've never heard of that problem with a bootleg. It's just illegally-made and illegally-sold, and your money doesn't go to anyone who helped make the series. --Masamage 19:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

woops if i knew that i woudent have got them Sailor cuteness 16:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

In all fairness, bootlegs are the only way for non-Japanese speaking individuals to enjoy the Sailor Stars arc of the story. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 16:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, you can find fansubs for free download online. Then you at least aren't giving money to some random weirdo.

But yeah, sailor cuteness--you didn't know, so I wouldn't worry about it too much. ^_^ As long as the DVDs work, and your intentions were good, it's just on the bootleggers' heads, not on yours. --Masamage 20:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SuperS

I've reverted this edit:

Unlike the previous three seasons, SuperS deviates from the fourth manga arc in terms of plot: besides omitting a key subplot involving the four Outer Senshi involving the return of Sailor Saturn, the series focuses mainly upon Sailor Chibi Moon as the lead with Sailor Moon herself reduced to comic relief.

SuperS is generally considered to be the least popular of the five Sailor Moon series, due to shifting focus towards Chibi-Usa and the fact that the bulk of the episodes for the series are stand-alone, resulting in a large amount of "filler" episodes between key storyline episodes. Other complaints include the omission of the Outer Senshi, which creates a continuity problem that resulted in the first six episodes of "Sailor Stars" having to resurrect various plot threads from SuperS in order to reintroduce the Outer Senshi, most notably Sailor Saturn, who returns to her proper age during the course of the SuperS manga arc.

I removed it mainly because this article is supposed to be more of an overview of the anime itself, not an analysis of any of its subcomponents. The person who added these paragraphs may be unaware that we're planning a SuperS article to cover the fourth story arc, and difference between the manga and anime, in better depth. It'll be modelled after Sailor Stars, as soon as we finish hammering that one into a shape we like. I think this kind of info, properly sourced, would be very appropriate for the SuperS article, so let's hang on to it here until we have a place for it.

Thank you for the contribution! We'd love to have your help at the WikiProject, if you're interested. :) --Masamage 23:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Excel Saga reference

*In an episode of the anime Excel Saga (a series notorious for it's parodies of many anime, and anime in general), the protagonist Excel is seen standing in front of a fake moon, with radishes connected to noodles atop her head to imitate Sailor Moon's hair, while she gives a dead-on clone of Sailor Moon's speech, even ending in "In the name of the moon, I shall punish you!" with Sailor Moon's signature arms cross, one hand pointing, other hand forming love sign pose.

Could it also be worth mentioning that a reason for the speech being so dead-on is because Kotono Mitsuishi is the voice actress of Excel (and Usagi)? ~ Wapiko 20:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That's only a passing reference to SM. I don't think we need to mention that here. --  Denelson83  21:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

That was so funny, though! After Excel does her little Moon-speech, the baddies mock Excel for copying Sailor Moon, saying something like she's so old hat. Kotono Mitsuishi then speaks OOC, saying something like 'hey, I still make good money out of that!'. The dub actress said something like 'hey, I wanted that part, but they dubbed it in Canada!'. - Malkinann 21:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow. That does seem like more than a passing reference. (Unlike some of the other stuff we've got in that list.) --Masamage 22:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robot chicken

should we put about the robot chicken parody of sailor moon in triva? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

No, because A) most of the stuff in the trivia section needs to go away anyhow, B) I hate Robot Chicken so bad ;___;, and C) okay, the first reason was the good one. --Masamage 20:38, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think some of the stuff in triva should stay to show its popularty(like in simpsons)IMAO but are there gidelines or stuff telling us to ged rid of it? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a guideline to avoid bloated trivia sections somewheres. And yeah, some things should stay; the reference in One Week, for example, is a pretty big deal since that song was a #1 hit single. It'll take some care figuring out what stays and what goes, though. And 'trivia' is probably not a good name for the section. --Masamage 20:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

lets call it refrances mabye? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

References is where we put our citations. X) I think the common name is "Cultural references," but there's gotta be some way to qualify that further. I don't know. --Masamage 21:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Just link to [1] and be done with it. --  Denelson83  22:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice! That certainly covers all the parodies. The Cameos article covers the appearances of other series within SM, too. --Masamage 22:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the Cameos article seems to cover or link to all of it. (But it's hard to tell. Man, Wikimoon is a mess.) --Masamage 22:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I like Robot Chicken ;_; JuJube 23:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

 ;______; + XP --Masamage 23:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

me to ;_; ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 09:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I dissent. Robot Chicken blasphemes SM. --  Denelson83  01:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

yer but it didnt blasphmese any more then DiC did :} ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love and grace♥ 12:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)