Talk:Saharon Shelah

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Mid due to his prolificness, but I am not an expert. -- Avi 17:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Hebrew letters 2 ZFC 3 "See also" 4 Ratosh and family -- sources 5 Religion - source

[edit] Hebrew letters

I suspect that Shelah's first name is given wrong in the article. According to the Jerusalem University staff database it is שהרן, not סהרון. -- EJ 12:51, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This is corrected now.שהרן שלח is correct. The first name starts with a "sin", the family name with a "shin". 128.6.62.128 15:18, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] ZFC

What's ZFC? Cryptic Abbreviations are bad according to the LMNOQ Standards body.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.96.55.39 (talk • contribs) 22:30, June 29, 2006 (UTC)

Good point; it is now expanded as "Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory, with the axiom of choice". -- Avi 03:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "See also"

I removed Bartel Leendert van der Waerden from "see also": the van der Vaerden article says nothing about Shelah. Also, the article text already links to "van der Waerden's numbers V(C,N)". If there are more connections between the two, please write in the article. Mukadderat 19:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ratosh and family -- sources

Shelah wrote an article in the newspaper Ha'aretz. At the end of the article it says:

פרופ' שהרן שלח מן האוניברסיטה העברית בירושלים, בנו של יונתן רטוש, הוא חתן פרס וולף למתימטיקה לשנת 2001 וחתן פרס ישראל

(emphasis added), which means

Professor Saharon Shelah from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, son of Yonathan Ratosh, ...

However, I do not know any published sources that mention his wife or children, except for the occasional dedication: For example <original research> his book Cardinal arithmetic is dedicated to his wife Yael, and his Proper and improper forcing is dedicated to his son Omri.</original research>

--Aleph4 13:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I can read the Hebrew (Wolf prize in 2001 etc.) Thanks, I'll add it to the article. If you can get me the ISBN of the work in which he thanks his wife and kids, that should be enough. Thanks! -- Avi 13:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

It also mentions his wife Yael by name as well, so that is supported. -- Avi 13:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The two books I mentioned are:

1. Cardinal Arithmetic, 1994: ISBN 0-19-853785-9
2. Proper and Improper Forcing, 1998: ISBN 3-540-51700-6

--Aleph4 14:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I've sourced Yael to the news article, and I cannot find the P&IF book excerpts on the web, so I cannot verify that. I'll look around some more. I did infobox the article properly, though. -- Avi 14:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

A gyerekei mivel foglalkoznak? A nagyobbik fiam zeneelméletet tanul, a lányom történelmet, a kisebbik fiam pedig biológiát.

What are your children doing? My oldest son is learning the theory of music, my daughter history, my youngest son biology.

Harc a matematikával és a titkárnőkkel (Fighting mathematics and secretaries. Interview with S.S. Magyar Tudomany (Hungarian Science, the monthly of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences, 2003, March) Kope 19:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion - source

The infobox claims that Shelah's ethnicity and religion are both Jewish. I doubt that you can find a source for the claim that Shelah's religion is Jewish, or that he has any religion at all. Our article Yonatan Ratosh says that Ratosh wanted

to divorce [himself] from [his] Jewish roots and embrace a new identity a "Hebrew"

which suggest that also his son Saharon Shelah was raised as a "Hebrew" rather than a "Jew". --Aleph4 15:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I now removed "Judaism". (I know that Shalah is explicitly non-religious, but I doubt that I can find a reference for this. So I did not put Atheist there instead, which seems to be controversial anyway.) Brontosaurus 22:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)