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[edit] UC Davis

Maybe we should add UC Davis in the "education" subcategory. It's only 15 miles west of downtown and Davis is considered a city of the metropolitan area. Just a thought...

A good idea, but a couple of problems: 1. It's not in Sacramento. 2. It's not in Sacramento County, 3.It's not even connected to Sacramento proper, or even West Sacramento (a river and flood-plain seperate the two.Rsm99833 22:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Not so fast. UC Davis Graduate School of Management (GSM) is located in downtown Sacramento on One Capital Mall. The UC Davis GSM is where working profressional (part-time) MBA students, from UC Davis, complete their MBA. There are over 300 part-time MBA students enrolled in the program. The part-time program is ranked in the top-20 and is well known for its small class size, world class faculty, and involvement in the business community. (Mark O.)

http://www.gsm.ucdavis.edu/visitors_center/directions_to_OCM.htm

Those particlular branches, I see nothing wrong with listing them. However, the question was asked about UC Davis main campus. Basically, if it's in the city limits, go ahead an list it.Rsm99833 15:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Great. I'm a 3rd year MBA student at UCD and it's an excellent program. (Mark O.)

In addition to the UC Davis Graduate School of Management, the UC Davis Medical Center as well as the UC Davis M.I.N.D. (Medical Investigation of Neurodevelopmental Disorders)Institute are located in the city of Sacramento. The M.I.N.D Institute is considered one of the elite facilities in the field of autism and other developmental disorders. One note, West Sacramento is not located in Sac County either (Yolo, same as Davis). Not sure if it is considered Sac proper though...


[edit] Text about Sacramento Public Library

I removed the following text because it is not about either Sacramento or Sacramento County (entries that would be defined in Wikipedia). But it is about the Sacramento public Library. A link would suffice. Of course if someone has a good reason to keep this, then lets hear that reason. maveric149

The Sacramento Public Library's Sacramento Room maintain a comprehensive collection of materials documenting Sacramento City and Sacramento County history and life. It includes city directories and telephone books, as well as the Sacramento periodical collection which consists of newspapers, magazines and newsletters published in Sacramento and about Sacramento people, businesses, organizations, places, events and history.

I had put that text in, only because the Sacramento article is necessarily incomplete, and a reliable pointer to a centralized repository of historical information about Sacramento would be useful to those who need to get more information than we can supply.
Balanone

That's good. Now it at the top of /Talk so that others may use it to gather more information. maveric149

[edit] Was Sacramento first named New Helvetia?

I find reference on http://www.usacitiesonline.com/cacountysacramento.htm#statistics that Captain Sutter first named Sacramento "New Helvetia, a haven for his Swiss Countrymen." Can this be verified?


That's not entirely true. His name for what we call Sutter's Fort was New Helvitia -- which is considered to be early settlement of the Sacramento area and not the establishment of the city itself (which was accomplished by John Sutter Jr). Sutters Fort was unfortunetely overrun by gold seekers who were unconcered about Sutters ideas about a utopian farming community. As a result of river-borne commerce, the city grew a couple of miles west of the fort and very quickly surpassed it in importance. maveric149

[edit] Former mayors

The addition of the list of past mayors is great! However, I think it might be overkill to have full fledge stand-alone wiki articles on all of them. Don't get me wrong, anyone is welcome to try, but I am not so masochistic -- and I don't know how valid such additions to wikipedia would be seen by othr wikipedians (if every city article had this, we would quickly have rediculously long lists for mayor John_Doe). What I suggest is this: Each mayor should have their own subpage directly off of the Sacramento article (instead of their own, stand alone page on the wiki itself). For example, instead of having the link on Sacramento/Mayors go to Heather_Fargo, why not have it link to Sacramento/Heather_Fargo? maveric149

I have no strong feelings about this. I was originally thinking of leaving the wiki links off, and just let people add them if/when they actually create pages concerning any of those people.

Balanone

[edit] Article name

Since there are several cities with the name "Sacramento" in the world, and Wikipedia has the unofficial convention of demarcating cities as city, state (USA) and city, country outside the US, I was wondering if we should do the same with "Sacramento". The entry "Sacramento" could then serve as a jumping-off point to the various "Sacramento's" around the world. I am the original author of this entry, and it seems to be the most logical thing to do -- even though Sacramento, California is obviously the most famous "Sacramento" in the world (a check of Google might indicate to some that there is the only "Sacramento" in the world). But even so, renaming does seem to be the best thing to do. What do you think fellow Wikipedians? maveric149

Makes sense to me. Balanone.

I changed my mind. The other Sacramento's are not nearly as well known as this one. The article will stay at Sacramento, California with Sacramento redirecting there. Links to the other Sacramento's are provided at the bottom of the article. --maveric149

[edit] External link: suckramento.com

Although I personally enjoy this site, is it really appropriate for a wiki entry for the city of Sacramento?Seems like it would be more appropriate in an article about "Sacramento Culture", under a Sacramento catagory, akin to articles under catagories in Category:Los Angeles and Category:San Francisco.
--scupper 01:03, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Section: History/Summary/creation of Sacramento History article

Should a Sacramento Catagory be created and a Sacramento History article created using the contributions in the History section, then replace the content with a smaller summary of the city's history for the Sacramento, California article?
--scupper 01:13, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Based on my experience with Los Angeles, I would recommend waiting as long as you can before splitting sections into separate articles. Rather than a promotion, it can be more like an exile. On the matter of a "Category:Sacramento, California" category, the Category:Sacramento County, California serves as a catchall now and contains many items that could be moved to a city-specific category, for example Sacramento Bee. So it is probably worthwhile top make a city category. -Willmcw 01:40, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Serial killers

Since a lot of worthies have been (justifiably) shifted to list pages, maybe Dorothea Puente doesn't quite rate the front-page treatment. Regretably, she's also in the Sac killer company of Richard Chase, Gerald and Charlene Gallego, Ted Kaczynski, the "East Area rapist," Morris Solomon, Eric Royce Leonard, and Nikolay Soltys, among others. Squib 21:38, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Is Sacramento really the oldest incorporated city in CA?

This page makes that claim; however Sacramento was incorporated on February 27, 1850. San Francisco was incorporated nine days earlier, on February 18, 1850.
--GraemeMcRae 06:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

SF County was created February 18 by the legislature. SF County government got going on 04/01, then just days later on 04/05 the legislature passed an incorporation act for the city. The city charter passed on 04/15 so that's considered the date of record for San Francisco, and Mayor Geary was sworn in on 05/01. The city and county were merged into their current structure years later in 1856. ([1] [2]) — RandallJones 18:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, that's good to know. I'll go and fix the date in my list of cities in California. Just to be clear: the date of incorporation of the city of San Francisco is 4/15/1850, right?
--GraemeMcRae 19:09, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

That's the date they use on the official SF web site.— RandallJones 00:20, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I can find a reference to the "person holes" tidbit, so I'm calling bullpucky on that. Richfife 13:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

What does, "Sacramento became a state of the United States in December 1848" mean? Was Sacramento really a state?

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[edit] Amtrak

I'm skeptical about the claim that "Amtrak is the most popular ground transportation choice in the City of Sacramento." Is there a reference for this statistic? Rolofft

I've removed it. It's also ambiguous; any such statements should provide at least a little context, and at least a definition of "most popular." Demi T/C 23:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sutter's Fort

The article states, "The oldest part of the town besides Sutter's Fort is Old Sacramento [...]". I don't remember where I heard this, but I think that the current Sutter's Fort site is a replica. I could check it out if no one else here knows for sure. Jobarts-Talk 06:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Sutter's Fort is at the original location. It is mostly reconstructed, however. The original fort lay empty and abandoned for many decades. The reconstruction made use of what was still there. Daphodyl 18:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Link "Sacramento Pictures"

The external link labeled "Sacramento Pictures" is to a personal blog with a few photos of Sacramento. Is this an appropriate external link?--scupper 17:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to say no. Scrub it. Rsm99833 18:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. --Serge 05:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] good town

kzz* 23:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population 2.5 million?

This article states Sac is an area of 2.5 million. Being as that the 2005 estimate of the Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville CA MSA is 2,042,283 and the CSA or combined statistical area which takes in more counties is Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Truckee CA–NV 2,187,694, an extremely broad definition of the metro. How do you get to 2.5? Its important to be accurate here, Sacramento is big and growing fast but 2.5 million is rediculous. Im changing it to 2.2 million adjusting for growth in the last year. You have to understand that once you get a certain distance away from a place, it stops being that place and that if you go by such broad definitions other places would be much larger also.

[edit] Famous alumni

You know I have faith in these guys, however....

"St. Francis H.S. Famous alumni includes A.J. (Alexandra Jayne) Stewart (finalist in cycle 7 of America's Next Top Model). Graduated in 2004."

"Famous alumni include Greg Ramsey(renown bachelor) and Fred Castano(future writer for The New York Times)"

[edit] Sacramento Flood Risk

I'm considering drafting a part on the flood risk and history of Sacramento, under the Geo and Climate section. Anyone have any objections, or want to help? --Sacdelicious 06:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Reordered page to keep conversations flowed in order from top (first comment) to bottom (most recent). Ronbo76 06:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
You may wish to read:

[edit] Timeline on Sacramento history - another good source

  • Timeline - While already listed as a root source/reference, this timeline delineates many historical firsts for city and state history. Ronbo76 17:33, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The lost frontier

I would like to see a change to the name of this subsection. I've changed it twice now to First Nation but without a dialog, so I'll start one here.

What was lost? A frontier? How? I guess this does not make sense as a title. Here is some more background.

In trying to resolve this issue, I previously posted this to the talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America but did not have much success.

  • Style regarding U.S. history subsections
I have an interest in understanding what to name the subsections for geographic areas that I am editing history sections of. For instance, for some geographic areas there will be three subsections: pre european, european arrival, and recent history. My question is to find some heading that is agreed upon that is a better discription than "pre eureopean." I gave the first section the title of "First Nation," but in reading around I have discovered that "first nation" is a term used for Canadians not current day U.S. lands. So.
The place was what it was - and was not considered "pre eureopean" by the people who lived there in that time. How can it be pre something they never heard of? I don't like a title that says "pre" anything. Many place's history sections have a pre-some-date or pre-some-hisorical-reference-person's-name and this referencing really bothers me. Also, often the native population has had a population increase and is now a part of daily life in the area. They didn't just go away.
Is there a standard already? Thanks!--al95521 05:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the term "Pre-Contact" is most common, but if you don't want to use that, First Nation and American-Indian are too general to be very helpful. You might try figuring out exactly which people lived there, and use their name for the section. I'm not totally clear on your question though, so maybe a more specific example would help? - TheMightyQuill 07:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
--al95521 15:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)As a newer editor I thought I should stick close to home and that is northern California.

So what do we do now?

I would suggest two things. First, play in the sandbox and write an article that you might to expand into an article. Then, write it.
Changing section headers without announcement is never a good idea. Even with discussion on a talkpage, you probably will not reach consensus. This article has been around for awhile and proven editors have left the way it now for that same period. My second recommendation would be to find a stub article in Northern California that needs expansion. You can find them at the WP:CAL project page. Once you have the knack of taking a stub article, two or three to start status, you will begin to appreciate what other editors have done. Ronbo76 05:47, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Well the truth is that I HAVE written a bunch. I believe I know what I'm writing about. I AM a "proven editor", as you say. Read my contrubution list. Most of what I write sticks. This is an issue about cultural sensitivity not about whether or not I am a good writer or have a "knack". Lost Fontier is not an acurate statement nor is it culturally sensitive to a culture of peoples that inhabited a land that was invaded by a new people. So sorry that I didn't get my point across. I guess being direct is better. So. I'm announcing the change. There you have it. I think the new heading I will try will be Indigeonus culture', rather than First nation. I will be happy to dialog, but we're looking at admin help soon.--al95521 04:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demographic Information

Is there a way to find demographic information on Sacramento's neighborhoods. I'm trying to start neighborhood pages--very incomplete so far and the articles that are started are VERY basic but this would add some interesting info about diversity, etc (if it is even kept track of??) Alamar2001 04:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

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