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[edit] Old
The stuff on the Sabretooth FAQ is outdated, unoffcial, and in some cases incorrect. T-1000 04:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
The Part of Origin with Logan's older brother is out of order, so I fixed it. added a link to Dog Logan.
T-1000
". Mathematically, it would take an axial load of at least 3 tons to twist a dumbbell in such a way."
wow i didn't realize there were people who figured this out, mathematically.
Most civil engineers could figure that out in there heads. Especially if they have experience with such materials. You have to know how much pressure it takes to bend such structures or when you build things they collapse. ScifiterX 20:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Mane
Somehow, it just seems funny to me that Sabretooth, who has large amounts of hair, is played by Tyler Mane.
- Or even more, that he only has a significant amount of non-costume hair when played by that actor. (that and X-Men Evolution) ^_~
[edit] Birdie?
In the Marvel vs. Capcom games, Sabertooth is assisted by a woman named Birdie, who carries a large gun. I didn't see any mention of her in the article. Who the hell is she, or was she created just for the games?
- She was his telepathic sidekick in the early 1990s. Jim Lee introduced her in his run on X-Men, and Larry Hama killed her off in the first Sabretooth miniseries. -Sean Curtin 04:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- I've added info about his time with Birdy. I also plan to add info about how he "lost his soul" (the first time he killed a child), which more or less was the start of his decent into insanity, I just have to dig up that issue of mine from my old collection.(Whipsandchains 19:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC))
[edit] Sabretooth's name
Sabretooth could possibly be born Dog Logan, Paul Jenkins admitted this in his interview, so I do not know why DrBat keeps removing this info from the profile. His alias of "Dog" is from his memories of being called that by his father, it may or may not be based on Dog Logan. If it is to be changed, I favor changing the name to "Unknown, Possibly Victor Creed, Possibly Dog Logan"T-1000 23:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- Wolverine and Sabretooth aren't related, per a SHIELD genetics test in the mid-40s of Wolverine v2 ("unless Dr Mendel was wrong").
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- Actually that only proved that they weren't father and son, which is what Shield was trying to determine. Praternal half-brothers share much less genetic material than father and son, and that is assuming that Dog Logan was actually Thomas Logan's son and not adopted. It was also said that they had trouble even determining that fact due to their strange genetic make-up. It has also been revealed that Shield has consistantly lied to Wolverine about many aspects of his past that they were privy to. It was recently revealed that Wolverine recovered his memories and when Shield found out at least one employee committed suicide (which does not exactly inspire confidence in the idea that they have been consistantly honest with Wolverine).
- And speculation is meaningless - Jenkins could say in an interview that Dog Logan could possibly have grown up to be Jean Grey, but it wouldn't mean anything. If he'd said that he'd intended Dog to be Sabretooth, then that would be worth noting under a "trivia" heading, but shouldn't be presented as overriding the in-comic info. Instead, he said the opposite. - SoM 02:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Jenkins said "I am not sure." in his second interview, thus, there is no confirmation. T-1000 18:58, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- That's acknowledging the possibility of someone else retconning it later. But anything could be retconned into anything. - SoM 22:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- Jenkins said "I am not sure." in his second interview, thus, there is no confirmation. T-1000 18:58, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
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- To say that 'Tooth is definately Dog Logan really does spoil the mystique of the character. Also, depending on how much of Sabretooth's original memories are intact it may not be safe to say that they are same character even if they are physically the same person. If enough of Dog Logan's memories were destroyed and replaced with another personality, then Dog Logan would essentially be dead. Just fun speculation.
[edit] Age
From Uncanny X-Men #326: Xavier's files have Sabretooth's first confirmed kill as being Doctor Eiger Harnerst, his pediatrician. Creed was nine at the time. Later on, three policemen are shown to have been killed by Sabretooth when he was 13. Sabretooth was declared dead in part one of The End. His age was said to be over 200. While we the fans will probably never know his true age, it is known or easily obtainable in the Marvel Universe.
[edit] Adamantium? Mutant?
When did Sabretooth receive his first Adamantium Skeleton? When was Sabretooth first revealed to be a mutant with a healing factor similar to Wolverine's?
Sabretooth's first appearance with his first set of Adamantium implants occurred in Wolverine #126. It was revealed later in Wolverine #145 that Sabretooth was given these implants by Apocalypse. As to exactly when Sabretooth was revealed to be a mutant with powers, including healing powers, like those of Wolverine I'm not exactly sure. Truthfully, Sabretooth was a rather generic villain until the early 1990's. During Sabretooth's earliest appearances, as a Luke Cage and Iron Fist villain, in the late 70's and early 80's, he didn't really possess healing powers. During this time, he had superhuman strength, stamina, and his body was somewhat tougher than an ordinary human's. Since Sabretooth became a popular villain, his early days have been tinkered with by various writers over the years that have written various stories, such as Sabretooth's involvement with Team X during the 1960's for instance, that portray Sabretooth as always having accelerated healing powers. Various writers have been able to smooth over these inconsistencies because the Luke Cage and Iron Fist titles in which Sabretooth initially appeared are fairly obscure. Sabretooth wasn't a particularly memorable or popular villain so, someone simply decided to juice him up along the way and add bits and pieces to him that he simply wasn't initially created with. Same thing happened to Wolverine. In his initial appearances, such as his very first appearance against The Hulk, Wolverine's claws were connected to his gloves rather than being implants within his body.
[edit] Why?
Why is it that among his notable powers it says that he is highly resistant to telepathic detection and control? Hasn't he, on many occasions, been controlled by professor X or other psychic beings? Lue3378 01:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
In the past, Sabretooth has been telepathically probed and controlled but not since he was a member of the new incarnation of the Weapon X Program. Aside from all the physical enhancements he was given, his mind is more resistant to telepathic attacks. Although, his mind would probably still be vulnerable to telepaths along the level of Emma Frost or Charles Xavier.
Sabretooth recieved his adamantium back in the Gambit series. Gambit had taken it from the Constrictor because Creed was dying from adamantium withdrawls. His body had become acustom to the metal in his body. Gambit had found him is South America where he had a tribe worshiping him as a god. He then had to take him to Mr Sinister and then to New Son, who put the adamantium back in his body.
[edit] Latest Twist
It looks as if Marvel has finally decided to dig up the old question about a potential father/son type of relationship between Wolverine and Sabretooth. In the latest issue of Ultimate X-Men, Sabretooth provides an explanation as to how he survived being beheaded, rather anti-climactic in my opinion. Sabretooth reveals that he was chosen by the Weapon X Program to replace Wolverine because Wolverine happens to be, at least allegedly, his father.
- Ultimate X-Men is in a different universe, it does not have anything to do with Earth 616 creed.T-1000 18:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm fully aware of that fact. I'm just mentioning that Marvel has brought it up in the Ultimate Marvel Universe.
[edit] Powers and Abilities
I've altered the section somewhat with a little rewording and spaced it out a bit so that it doesn't look as if it's just crammed together. I've also removed a statement at the beginning of the article that stated Sabretooth healing and regenerating hundreds of times faster than an ordinary human. That sounds suspiciously like someone's opinion and not a fact taken from Marvel. It's probably true, but unless it's a confirmed fact from Marvel, it shouldn't be included. Odin's Beard
- as long as we mention his healing powers are not consistent, it is fine.T-1000 06:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Why has the range that lists Sabretooth's strength been removed from the article? It's not a guess or my own personal opinion, it's what Marvel is using, at least for right now. Odin's Beard
In this section there is a picture where Sabretooth is getting adamantium injected into his skeleton.This picture has a foriegn language in it. Is it possible to get the same picture but replace it with English? Mr.Wednesday 14:04, 20th June 2006
I have the same page in english. http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/sabretoothskeletonjpg.jpg 84.231.142.132 17:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ultimate Sabretooth's Adamantium Enhancements
You know something I just remembered, one of the claws implanted in Ultimate Sabretooth's left forearm is broken. You can see it clearly in the image of Ultimate Sabretooth in the section of the article talking about him. Odin's Beard
oh! i forgat to explain the broken adamantie claw in ultimate x men so here it is dude!
- victor asked to make it quick as possible the new set of extra
automatic-claws and as such resulted in process to rushed and sloppy to make perfect shaped set. that's why one claw is actualy incomplete rather than broken atleast that's may speculation what do you think?
Nah, I don't buy it. To look at the picture, the claw doesn't appear to be misshapen to me, it simply looks as if it's been broken. Sabretooth is an operative of the Weapon X Program, which I think is government funded at least to some extent, so I doubt that the government would approve of their brain trust doing a halfassed job in developing their operatives or improving the operatives, particularly one of their top agents like Sabertooth. There are questions as to the durability of the Ultimate Marvel Universe's version of Adamantium, due in part to the situation involving the UMU's version of the Hulk ripping Wolverine in half. There's all sorts of speculation among readers, but there's never been anything confirmed by Marvel. Since the Ultimate Marvel Universe is an entirely seperate reality, writers can pretty much do whatever they want to do even if it completely ignores decades of accepted canon within the Earth-616 continuity. I don't belive that the UMU's version of Adamantium is nearly as durable as the Earth-616 version. That's my position, however, until/unless Marvel publishes something that makes me think otherwise. Odin's Beard
well,stay convinced on what you wish Odin's beard,my explantion is the process for creating adamantie-claws set was in a rush and thus one claw broken during forging,
i don't really see any difference betwwn the mainstream marvel(wich i droped in ultimate favor) and the ultimate version of sabretooth short of the enhancements fashion,and physical mutation more tiger-like, both version are exactly the same hyper psycho-charismatic for wich i love the character so much he always kicks me in to shape
You're entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with it, but you're entitled to it. It's all just speculation at this point no matter we believe because Marvel hasn't said anything about it. As far as any differences between the two Sabretooth's, there are a few physical ones although they're trivial and minor. Ultimate Sabretooth is a few inches shorter and about 50 pounds lighter than the mainstream counterpart. The Earth-616's skeleton is laced with Adamantium, while Ultimate Sabretooth's isn't, he was only implanted with a set of claws similar to Wolverine's. We don't really know much of Ultimate Sabretooth's background or the Earth-616's background either for that matter. To my knowledge, nothing has been revealed about the mainstream version's path before the 1960's, when he was a member of Team X, and it's likely to stay that way. If they ever decide to do anything more with the Ultimate version of Sabretooth, I'd say that there'll be some real differences. As for right now, I'd pretty much have to agree that there aren't any major differences between the two except for a few trivial things. Odin's Beard
okay you are right odin's beard,i forgot that the histories and origins may be very different though,and answering the ripped in half wolverine by the hulk is that logan's joint-bones aren't covered if they were covered he would unable to move smoothly. even yuriko deadstrike noted that logan's skeleton isn't completely covered he has at least two pieces still breakable,
my speculations about victor's broken adamantium claw well, i don't know but it make sense to me that one claw was broken during forging process i am not forcing ANYONE into my opinion
the writers of ultimate marvel like mark millar will never (mostly) expain this stuff to us they believe we are inventive enough to figure out this on our own
[edit] Irony=
He was around for about ten years before first appearing in an X-Men comic.
21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)Enda80Enda80
i,m looking forward to see how they gonna bring victor into x-men like: hello i,am sabretooth sure i am a hyper psychotic, but i was kinda boored with the criminal thing,so want to try goodie-good two shoes
[edit] Origin
In Wolverine: The End, was it implied that Sabretooth knows about Origin? T-1000 04:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC
Wolverine: The End isn't canon. It's not part of the mainstream Marvel Universe, it's just another alternate reality/timeline. There was a lot of talk about The End, debate as to whether or not it's canon. The thing that kind of ruined the storyline as being canon was a storyline was being published at the same time that was contradicted the events of Wolverine: The End. The first issue of Wolverine: The End came out in January 2004 and in March of that year, a storyline was started in New X-Men #151 that's set 150 years in the future, where as the events in Wolverine: The End are set roughly 100 years in the future. I'm can't compltely remember all the events surrounding the New X-Men storyline but I remember that it involved Jean Grey, the Pheonix, and I believe something involving the Beast being taken over by some kind of entity/lifeform of some sort. I'm a little iffy about that last one, but Beast was involved. Anyhow, the New X-Men storyline featured Cassandra Nova, the decendants of Xavier Institute students that had been heavily featured in the title during the time, and Wolverine. What I remember most about the New X-Men storyline was that Wolverine looked exactly the same 150 years in the future while in Wolverine: The End, which is set roughly 50 years before the events of New X-Men, Wolverine has aged considerably. The New X-Men storyline worked itself out with Jean sort of manipulating the timeline and reality and all that stuff and the storyline wound up being...yep you guess it, just another alternate reality/timeline. In The End storyline, while Logan is at Creed's funeral service, an attorney presents Logan with a letter. Next thing, Logan and George have driven halfway across Alberta and come up on the the deserted Howlett mansion. Also, the events that've happened as a result of the House Of M storyline and Wolverine: Origins have mooted The End since Wolverine has all of his memories restored and that wasn't the case with The End. Odin's Beard 01:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- So the letter is from Creed, right? It had something to do with the Howlett estate, correct? So does this imply that Sabretooth knows about the Howletts? T-1000 02:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The letter was from Creed. Creed's attorney, Emily Rand, approached Logan after the funeral service and made a little small talk. She told Logan that Creed always respected him and all that. She gives Logan the letter, a letter that bears a family crest on it, but Logan never reads aloud what exactly is contained in the letter. Next thing, he and George, the old man that's driving Logan, have driven halfway across Alberta and arrive outside the Howlett mansion. They eventually make their way inside and see the same crest above the fireplace as was on the letter. Creed might've known at least something about Wolverine's past, his family name if nothing else. It's also possible that John Howlett might've given Creed the information, Creed could've worked for him for all anyone will ever know. Emily Rand might have worked for John Howlett and was instructed to tell Logan that she was Creed's attorney. Anything Creed might've known or not known is all just a guess. The End didn't go into any detail as to what Creed's involvement might have been. Odin's Beard 00:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've read somewhere that Dog Logan is somehow tied into this. Was he mentioned? T-1000 01:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Dog wasn't shown, or even mentioned, at any time during the entire mini-series. Odin's Beard 01:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wolverine: The End
Is that section really even necessary since Sabretooth didn't make any appearance, alive or dead, in the mini-series? Since his body wasn't shown, and given the whole mysterious cloak and dagger kind of plot of the series, Sabretooth's status as dead or alive couldn't be verified one way or the other. Odin's Beard 00:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
- It still is an alternative version of Sabretooth that dies. As I don't think there will be a sequel to the End series, we can accept that Sabretooth died in this alternate universe. T-1000 00:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
There's no need for it because it's not notable enough to be included in the article. Sabretooth's appearance in various issues of the old "What If?" series would have more merit to be included in the article, particularly since he didn't appear in Wolverine: The End. Since Sabretooth's actual appearance, whether alive or dead, wasn't important enough to be included in the mini-series, there's no need for it here. Odin's Beard 00:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wasn't Sabretooth an x-man before?
Your article mentioned that sabretooth will be joining the x-men for the first time in x-men#188. I think this is incorrect because I remember reading a few years ago that sabretooth was taken in by charles xavier (or was it magneto?) as a replacement for wolverine (wolverine was missing or went on hiautus or something). So sabretooth became an x-man then (so this will not be his first time to be an x-man). I remember this because that was the first time I liked sabretooth and became a fan of sabretooth because he was now a hero but with a very dark side.
Sabretooth was being held by the X-Men, but he was never a member. Basically, Sabretooth was a prisoner.. After the death of Birdy, a woman possessing telepathic abilities that Sabretooth had used to help control his fits of bloodlust, Sabretooth went on a worldwide killing spree. He was eventually captured by The X-Men with the help of Maverick. After Sabretooth was brought to the X-Mansion under Xavier's orders in order to at least attempt to treat him, help him control his feral nature. Sabretooth was held in a special cell that was designed by Forge. Sabretooth appeared at the X-Mansion just after Wolverine departed, after having the adamantium magnetically ripped from his skeleton by Magneto. Sabretooth wasn't an X-Man, he was a dangerous mutant that Xavier was attempting to treat. Sabretooth, just like Wolverine, is prone to berserker rages. Unlike Wolverine, however, Sabretooth revels in the carnage he causes. He relishes giving into his feral nature and instincts whereas Wolverine doesn't. This made Sabretooth nearly impossible to treat, even for someone like Xavier. Sabretooth, at least for now, is at the X-Mansion seeking asylum, not because he wants to be an X-Man or believes in the X-Men's cause. Odin's Beard 23:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Graydon Creed
Graydon Creed was assasinated by Bastion, not Mystique as the article states. Mystique appeared to want him dead, but was actually trying to stop the assasination. 193.63.48.48 11:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Racial Slur?
I heard that in one comic, the narration used a racial slur used to insult Jews to describe Sabretooth. The narration said something like "the vicious k*ke known as Sabretooth". Is this true? If so, what were the bloody writers thinking!? Also, is Sabretooth supposed to be Jewish in the first place? I've heard of non-Jews being called Jewish racial slurs, but in any case, it wasn't a good idea to use that word. Evernut 16:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Infobox image
Is it possible for someone to upload a more appropriate image for the infobox?
The current one fails in a lot of ways based on the Project guidelines (Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/editorial guidelines#Superhero box images).
- J Greb 20:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What happened to his adamantium skeleton?
In Wolverine vol.3 #52, the latest issue, Wolverine slices off Sabretooth's right hand, so where'd the adamantium go? I haven't followed much of the storyline involving Sabretooth seeking asylum with the X-Men, so does anyone know if something was mentioned during the storyline about him losing the skeleton or is this an example of the writer paying no attention to continuity?Odin's Beard 22:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
