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Contents 1 o_O 2 Yaki or Yankee 3 Vague wording? 4 I'm not sure I believe this 5 POV Tag 6 Move to Wiktionary

[edit] o_O

that was a wierd artcile to read, it does seem kind of POV....

I totally agree. Anyone who feels that this article is accurate and objective should take it upon himself to edit the article about Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger, which claims that He is the first sabra Chief Rabbi. If I don't see some changes in the next few days, I'll have to clean up this article myself. --Keeves 02:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

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more and rarer Grammatical error. I guess the meaning is simply this - 'rarer'. Also - 'sabra' is used in Spielberg's Munich movie, suggesting a special importance over immigrants. This may or may not be relevant today. Any comments? --TresRoque 14:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

(a) I fixed the 'more and rarer'. (b) Didn't see Munich, so I can't comment. (c) hegemony sounds very POV; can someone improve it? --Keeves 00:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Yaki or Yankee

Im watching the movie Munich and Avner is described as a "yaki" or is it a corrupt version of "yankee"? He answers: "I was born in Israel". Anyone know? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 04:34, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I never saw the movie, but I would assume it is yekke, which refers to Jews from Western Europe, particularly Germany. 172.129.219.130 01:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)jah

[edit] Vague wording?

The article uses the phrase "without using some politically incorrect terminology" - without saying what that terminology is. I'm not trying to put deliberately offensive language in the article, but that phrasing definitely begs the question. I think the article should either say that this word allows people to describe native born Israelis without using offensive words like X (I don't know what those words would be, not being an Israeli), or should be taken out. - HowardW, Jan 8, 2007

Hmm... I'm a "Sabra" myself and have no idea what this whole section is about... I lived in Israel all my life and never heard any offensive terminology to describe a person born in Israel... Moreover, I think this whole explanation about "Sabra" being used as a "friendly way" to describe a native-born Israeli, is nice but unfortunately has no connection with reality. In reality, a far as I know, Sabra is simply used to describe a person physically born in Israel, in order to distinguish him/her from someone who was born abroad.

Thus, the term is often used to distinguish "native" Israelis from "Olim" but not necessarily, because technically any Jewish Israeli born in Israel is a Sabra and ONLY such a person is a Sabra. For example an Israeli who lived in Israel all his life and who has Israeli parents etc. but was born, say, when his parents were on a trip abroad, is NOT considered a Sabra even if he carries the "cultural" characteristics often associated with this term.

Tal :) 09:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm not sure I believe this

I've never heard the term before so I don't know, but it seems likely that sabra means (as stated on the disambig page) a native born Jewish Israeli, not any native-born Israeli, as currently stated here. Can somebody who knows what they're doing I've correct this or tell me I'm wrong? Algebraist 18:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV Tag

This article is POV. "Zionist orientation" Sabra means born in Israel(regardless of orientation.) other then that its all opinions and arguments,which are main content of this article.

Also,there should be section on non-Sabra discriminated and viewed distinct from the Sabra (an Israeli version of racism).

[edit] Move to Wiktionary

This is just a definition of a word. --Uncle Ed 23:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)