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Contents 1 Morgan Le Fay 2 Invisible Air 3 Avalon 4 Hair Colour 5 Celas 6 Image 7 Alignment

[edit] Morgan Le Fay

When did Morgan Le Fay/Bedivere bring Arthur to avalon? Infact, how did Morgan get into the picture at all? Ive never heard of her even mentioned in any telling about saber's story before now actually. Can someone with the game confirm that this actually occured? As far as i can tell Arthur dies then is brought by the lady of the lake to Avalon, but this only occurs AFTER she goes back to her own time and chooses not to re-do the selection of the king. The article has it listed that she is already in Avalon before making the pact with the world. -- Question2

[edit] Invisible Air

Came across a fansite that states that Sabre's sword IA is actually Clarent (aka The Sword in the Stone, for those of you not familiar with the name). Is anyone familiar with the game aware of this, or is it fancruft?--み使い Mitsukai 00:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

In Fate, Excalibur was the sword pulled from the stone, not Clarent. They combine the two. So Invisible Air is hiding Excalibur, not Clarent. Kinda makes sense too since nobody is going to know Saber is Arturia from seeing Clarent, yet Excalibur would be a dead giveaway. Nezu 00:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

That is almost correct. Clarent, or the Caliburn, is still the sword that was pulled from the stone. However, Excalibur is completely different sword and it is the sword that Saber uses. I do not know if Saber's sword in the stone is called Clarent or Caliburn. However, the most common name for Fate's sword in the stone according to fans is the Caliburn, so I will use that instead. Caliburn is the sword that determined Saber to be King. Excalibur is the sword that, I believe, was given to her by the Lady of the Lake, or someone else. This part is not told by the story. Mirioki 11:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. The sword that saber pulled from the stone is Caliburn, not Excalibur. Shiro once sees her wielding this sword in a dream, and later traces it to kill Berserker in Fate scenario. Excalibur is the sword given to her by Lady of Lake after she lost Caliburn. Some legend says that Arthur lost this sword because he fought a war that is against to chivarly, but I'm not sure whether the game used the same reason.

A quick look through Excalibur shows that there are several versions of the story, shifting the name Excalibur between the two swords over and over. Also, the names Caliburn and Excalibur are in fact deformations of the same term. Possibly for clarity’s sake, Fate uses the name Caliburn for the original Sword from the Stone, while Excalibur is the replacement given by the Lady of the Lake. I’m not entirely sure which of the two the Avalon belongs with, but I’m guessing it is Caliburn as it’s the lost one.Ephyon 01:43, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually I would guess it be Excalibur, seeing as Caliburn is the "Sword in the Stone", logical reasoning indicates that it was sheathless if it was indeed stuck to a stone. Mirioki 01:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

So in that case, she lost the Caliburn and later lost the Avalon as well? If that’s correct, Merlin must have given her the verbal bitchslap of the century. Ephyon 01:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Either that or Merlin was already dead by then... who knows. I remember vaguely in Arthurian myth that in some versions, Merlin died or went missing, and everything went downhill from there. If Merlin is there, then, yes, I would imagine Arturia would have revieved the verbal bitchslap. I bet she really regretted losing Avalon as she was dying too. I'd be really disappointed if I lost a really important sword that represented my kingship and then lost the one thing that was supposed to make me invincible... in this case, it seems that's what Arturia did. Mirioki 06:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Avalon

I added in information about Excalibur's sheath. If you think this shouldn't belong here as it is a very big spoiler, please edit to your discretion. Mirioki 15:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hair Colour

King Arthur had ginger hair, why doesn't Saber? Worth a mention? Bowen 20:37, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

While English legend does believe he had long red hair, Arthur is most likely an amalgam of several different people in history(if he even existed, of course). Plus he's been portrayed having the entire spectrum of hair colors in various media, and even "historical" tales sometimes have different hair than red. While it's an interesting bit of trivia, I don't think it's really that important in the long run. If a trivia section for Saber gets made, go ahead and include it though. The article is small enough it won't be a problem, and who knows? Someone might like to know that while Saber is blonde, Arthur was rumored to be ginger. I can't imagine Saber with red hair though, personally. Nezu 20:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Celas

I deleted the Celas and Guinevere mentions in the article. There is no mention of the Celas surname in Fate (and it is confirmed that Arthuria is the daughter of Uther Pendragon). Also, Arthuria cannot be the base for the legend of Guinevere because she actually exists in that era, going by the mentions of her in hollow ataraxia and the background history of Saber in the Fate status menu. --Abahg32 19:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I thought so... Thanks for the confirmation! Mirioki 22:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Just a thought but, how about changing Saber’s image to this one? I think it fits a bit more with her usual aura. In reality, I was thinking about this one but the Excalibur/Caliburn/Whichever is showing and I'm not certain if that would be a problem. Ephyon 21:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the first picture because it parallels the Dark Saber pic very nicely. Mirioki 02:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, it is the same pose. Someone else do the editing though, I'm not sure how to go around with images. Copyright info should be the same since it's from the game CG as well. Done. Ephyon 00:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

You may think I have a personal grudge against that image or something, but once again, how about replacing the Saber using Excalibur pic to this? I know it’s an extremely technical detail, but the current one is actually Invisible Air’s wind blast being released, Excalibur’s light is always golden. Ephyon 23:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think it's sorta both Excalibur and Invisible Air at the same time... But you're right, it's not really her using Excalibur, it's more like she's charging up mana for using Excalibur... while Invisible Air goes all windy. Mirioki 00:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I was actually going to replace the picture myself, so I guess I have my work cut out for me. Thanks. Terek 07:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alignment

What is with the "alignment" row in the table? Since when does anything aside from D&D have an alignment system like that? Also, we need a lot of citations in here, not just for the alignment weirdness.