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Contents 1 THE POLICE!!! 2 Ethnic diversity 3 This is an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool 4 German article 5 General Mistakes 6 No location map? 7 About the vans 8 Observation points 9 New Page 10 Requested move to "São Paulo City" 11 Source for Complexo Metropolitano Estendido definition?

[edit] THE POLICE!!!

Guys, remove the photo from the Police! The photo you guys put, are photo from Policeman of the BARRO BRANCO ACADEMIA, that is a university to make important cops The real cops, you didnt put The ones that appear in the photo are STUDENTS, not real policeman!

[edit] Ethnic diversity

The general numbers maybe are a near estimative, but the 7.5M italian descendants are ABSOLUTELY overestimated, they really are much, but not THAT MUCH. I ask who inserted that information to quote a truthful source, please

The estimated number of Italians was changed to 3 million in the article, but the 7.5 million was for a much wider area (the state) than the city. However, no mention was made on Americans also immigrated to Sao Paolo in the late 1800s. Sao Paolo was said to had 10,000 Confederate citizens came after the U.S. Civil war, partially due to Brazil allowed slavery (until 1888) and massive land booms brought attention to Americans in the U.S. as much it had in Europe. + 207.200.116.68 04:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This is an encyclopedia, not a marketing tool

On my last edit I removed unsourced and POV statements such as:

"São Paulo has one of the most sofisticated, and one of the best nightlifes in the world, considered to be the best in Latin America."

"The city is also one of the main business capitals in the wolrd, and the tourism regarding this area is one of the main economic activities in São Paulo, however, cultural tourism is increasing, due mainly to the 70 museums and more than 100 theathers that can be found in São Paulo. People come speccially from South American and also from African and Asian countries to go to São Paulo´s highly developed cultural life."

"In spite of all problems, the city and state governments have been working hard to decrease the numbers of violence and poor housing. On the last years, homicide has decreased in 36%, and crimes regarding robery have also decreased. The São Paulo police is more efficient when it was 10 years ago, and the works on housing, pollution (water and air) and the flooding are also making effect. Although, the problems are still very present on the city´s life, but it is safe to say that the major part of São Paulo has the same problems as every city in the world."

They all came from the same IP: 201.51.49.219. São Paulo City Hall? Tourism Board? I don't know. Maybe just a São Paulo enthusiast and fan of the current administration. In any case, this is an encyclopedia, and statements like those don't belong here. Daniel Trielli 23:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

"The city is considered to headquarter more German companies than any other single city outside Germany. Likewise, it is also considered to headquarter more American companies among any other city outside the United States." Either these facts are way overestimated or whoever wrote this please provide some reliable sources.

I kinda agree that this article puts the city in a light that is a million times better than it actually is. There really needs to be sections in this article about the outstanding problems that the city has yet to repair, such as the horrible state the waterways are in (it is barely mentioned), awarenesses tourists need, pictures and metionings of the favelas on the edges of the city, and differences between this city and other developed cities throughout the world. Some other things that should be included is the huge differences in wealth distribution that is hardly noted, police corruption and the reasons behind it, etc.

Charlesblack 20:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Should we add a box to the page that notices the user that the page reads like an add or there are disputes on the neutrality (would it be considered neutrality???)

Charlesblack 20:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's stop with this small-village mentality of believing that everything that comes from Sao Paulo is the best or the largest in the world. So petty and yet so appealing. Unverified stories and legends become actual facts in this webpage. Please check your sources before editing.

[edit] German article

The german article looks really impressive. Has anyone discussed the possibility of a translation yet? PHF 15:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

The german article is way much better than the english one. Besides, it's dozens of pictures give the viewer a much better first impression of the city. Can't we post these pictures on this article? Native_earthian 1352, May 19 2006 (UTC)

I don't see why not, looks like a start PHF 00:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

these new pictures are great!

[edit] General Mistakes

Please, post here the small mistakes you find on the page (mistakes you couldn't just erase or fix because it would afect other parts of the article):

Mexico city is not located on the [southern hemisphere] as it was claimed on the airspace section. native_earthian 1346, 5/19/2006 (UTC)

I got one, your spelling on affect. Just kidding of course... : )

Charlesblack 20:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No location map?

This article doesn't actually show me where in Brazil São Paulo is located. -GTBacchus^(talk) 11:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Just added a pic in the geography section. PHF 16:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

 :I think GTBacchus meant where in Brazil Sao Paulo is located, not where in Sao Paulo state.

[edit] About the vans

I know you are somewhat aware of such rosy views of São Paulo despicted above, but this one is for sure. Since 2004, there's not anymore unregistered vans in the city. But I have to add that this kind of tansport is operated in a very suspicious scheme by semi-mafious "cooperatives", which some people believe - until now, without a proof - to be related to PCC. I can find a source, but probally it will be worthless for the article, as it will not be in English. NeedABrain 01:19, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Up until now I thought sources in portuguese were fine? Be bold! Do it anyway. PHF 04:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Observation points

Are there public observation decks on some skyscrapers? If yes, on which?

Yes, but I think São Paulo skyscrappers are quite frustrating. There are rooftop bars in the 45-story Italia Building[1] as well, nearby Paulista Avenue, the famous The View Bar[2] (that one at a modest 30th floor, but in the highest part of the city's plateau). You find free observation posts in the ludicrous Banespa Building (a.k.a. Pocket Empire State)[3] and the crappy highrise favela Zarzur Kogan [4] (this 55 story eyesore is the tallest building in the city. Makes me sick.). NeedABrain 00:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Page

I've completely reorganised the once hectic page according to Wikipedia's style guideline for cities, Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities#Structure_.28format_for_city_template.29. I also removed many of the images as some are irrelevant and there were far too many. There are enough great images in this page as it is now which fulfil Wikipedia's role to draw the reader in, not show him a poster design competition! See Wikipedia:Images for more details. I have done some copy-edits but this page is in need of a thorough copy-edit as there are many spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. Please all memebers of the Brazil Wikiproject or indeed anyone continue with the copy edit. Jaw101ie 19:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

As suggested by Wikipedia's style guideline Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style and hence followed by many other articles herein, I'd recommend that each entry should be defined (and linked to other articles) only once, preferably on the first time it appears on text. I've lost count of how many times the word "italian" was linked to its respective article "Italian people" in the Sao Paulo page.

[edit] Requested move to "São Paulo City"

Anyone interested please check Talk:São Paulo (state). Raphael.lorenzeto 13:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source for Complexo Metropolitano Estendido definition?

I noticed the information about a definition of São Paulo's metropolitan region here called Complexo Metropolitano Estendido. The source says IBGE [5] but I couldn't find anything on their webpage about this. When I searched the web it seems that as good as all pages having this information are either Wikipedia pages (in different languages) or pages clearly having Wikipedia as their source. Can anyone confirm (with direct source) that this definition is an official one by IBGE? I feel that this definition is too optimistic and just a try to give São Paulo a higher ranking amongs the world's cities, and that the official definition of Região Metropolitana de São Paulo is the only correct one as it is now. If no-one can come up with a good source to confirm the existance of a Complexo Metropolitano Estendido, I suggest that this information shall be erased. --Pjred 17:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

That should be Complexo Metropolitano Expandido, not Estendido. I'll try to find a reference later. Fvasconcellos 18:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I tried the spelling Complexo Metropolitano Expandido instead and found this page [6]. Still, an increadibly optimistic definition with a total area of 42 737 km² :-O! This definition can only qualify in a discussion of Megalopolises, and not in a comparision of Urban agglomerations and Metropolitan Areas around the world. I suggest to erase the line "more than any other city in the world except Tokyo, Japan with 35 million." because if this generous definition should be used for other similar areas around the world, São Paulo would get surpassed in comparision with at least some Indian, Chinese and U.S. areas. And, I can't find anything about this definition on IBGE:s webpage so maybe IBGE is only the source for the basic population statistics, with another source responsible for the definition itself? --Pjred 19:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I think this should be reworded. The reference you found clearly states that the definition of CME is still under development. An aside: 35 million is the population of the Greater Tokyo Area; the population of Tokyo proper (Tōkyō-to) is about 12 million according to the Tokyo article. If the info stays, the lead should clearly state that Complexo Metropolitano Expandido is a megalopolis, not the city's official metropolitan area—see the New York City article and how the lead refers to BosWash. Saying "The region forms an almost large urban corridor, or megalopolis, with Rio de Janeiro and Volta Redonda" (?) isn't telling anybody anything. Fvasconcellos 19:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have now changed the information so it don't compare the population figure of Complexo Metropolitano Expandido with other areas - it just mentions the existence, and I have made it as a red internal link for anyone who wants to write an article about this area. My Portugese is too poor for me to be able to work with the information on the linked page ;-). --Pjred 20:35, 17 February 2007 (UTC)