Talk:São Paulo (state)

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Contents 1 Requested move 1.1 Result 2 Largest concentration of ethnic Italians outside Italy ? 3 Rename to "São Paulo"

[edit] Requested move

Cantus…☎ 09:14, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

• Support the following:
  • São Paulo = the city
  • São Paulo (state) = the state
    • I support this for consistency with Rio de Janeiro (city and state).Carioca 21:26, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
    • PMLF 04:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

• Support the following:
  • São Paulo = the state
  • São Paulo, São Paulo = the city

• Comment: Contrary to what's stated above, this request hadn't been noted at Wikipedia:Requested moves. It now is. –Hajor 12:30, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city names) doesn't have anything on South America, but following the convention for Mexico would put the state at São Paulo and the city at São Paulo, São Paulo. Just a suggestion though. Alphax ^τεχ 00:34, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

• Support the following:
  • São Paulo = the city
  • São Paulo (state) = the state
    • Support for same reason as Carioca. — Dale Arnett 01:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Result

Consensus for page move: page moved. Eugene van der Pijll 21:11, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Largest concentration of ethnic Italians outside Italy ?

The above-mentioned statement (which actually appears in the article) is doubtful to say the least. I suspect that there are probably far more descendants of Italian immigrants for example in Argentina and in the United States than in Brazil (or in São Paulo specifically). I guess the author of the statement above should either provide a reliable reference to back his/her claim or delete/re-write the sentence.200.177.17.130 02:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I was not the author, but Argentina doesn't have more descendants of Italian immigrants than Brazil.

Neither was I but I suspect SP has more in absolute numbers while Argentina has a higher percentage of its population.

[edit] Rename to "São Paulo"

Hi, I'm the co-founder of the project "Subdivisões do Brasil" (Brazilian subdivisions) at Portuguese Wikipedia and the author of more than 5.000 Brazilian location maps (almost all used here). I would like to know why the Brazilian states aticles don't have a higher priority than their respective capitals. Sorry but my capacity to write in English is very limited. What I'm trying to say is: São Paulo concerns the City of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo (state) the state. I really don't understand why this is the convention and why the states of the USA are different. e.g. New York for the state and New York City for the city / Washington for the state and Washington, D.C. for the city.

I'm proposing that we move "São Paulo" to "São Paulo City" and "São Paulo (state)" to "São Paulo". Of course, disambiguation notes will be necessary as they are in both Washington and New York.

Raphael.lorenzeto 01:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. Same reasoning as Rio (state) v. Rio (city). Rmhermen 15:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (settlements)#Brazil, this is quite clearly explained there. Thank you for the maps BTW. Fvasconcellos 15:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

As was shown in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Convention for Brazil, this rule was simply based in the current practice. Apparently it was never discussed, that's why I started that topic in Naming conventions' talk page. P.S. Fvasconcellos, you are welcome. It's a plesure to me contribute to Wikipedia. Raphael.lorenzeto 17:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to suggest that this discussion be moved to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements)#Convention for Brazil, since the convention should be the same for both Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo, and thus it's better to discuss it at a centralized location. --cesarb 00:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)