Talk:Russo-Turkish Wars

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Hm. I'm not sure if this goes here or not: "On July 21, 1774, Russia and the Ottoman Empire signed the Treaty of Kuchuk-Kainarji ending six years of war. " This is from the linked day and year pages ; please correct as needed. --mav 07:17 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

We need a disambiguation page for Russo-Turkish wars (now should that be a capital "W" or not?) linking to the individual conflicts of 1710-11, 1736-39, 1768-74, 1806-12, 1828-29, 1853-56 (the southern front to the Crimean War), 1877-78 (the one in this article) and perhaps 1914-18 as a front to the wider WW1. I'll sort one out later with appropriate stubs unless you want to do so in the meantime. Graculus 07:58 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Please go ahead! I really don't know much about this part of history. Capitals seem OK for older wars at least. --mav

1 How to organize the Russo-Turkish Wars
2 Merge proposal
3 Great redirect mess-up and anti-Turkish pov
- 3.1 Related articles
4 History of Russo-Turkish wars

[edit] How to organize the Russo-Turkish Wars

I do not know how Russions percieve the wars, but all these wars are percieved as a single entity from Turkish History. I thought that is the main view; when I saw this page. "Main page" stated the fact that all these fights share a comman view. Generally in Turkish books this section is given a cheapter and small sub-cheapters for each campain and battles. ((Accept Crimean war)). That is conceptually more integrating. At the end a story tries to give the relations between its components. Somebody advised me to create War Series on this issue. I was working to create a menu that will link each important item(battle, campaign, war). I do not see the need to keep one paragraf "period stories" under different pages, especially disconnected from the perious and next ones. Somebody the mention of discussions under these pages; There is only period page that has very extensive one. That is the last one. I have hard time understanding how you concepts are organized within 10 subheadings. Because the smallest concept is battle, campaign or war. And we should seek that path to tell the story. Develop these concepts and link them under the "MAIN PAGE." Time sections that cover 30-60 years are not coherant among themselves niether from a "specific goal" , nor the battles you are clustered together sometimes share the same region. I stop redesigning the page because Mikkalai wanted to keep it as it is. THANKS.--tommiks 19:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't want to keep it "as is". Turkisn books gives them "cheaper and smaller" for a simple reason: Turkey lost there, nothing for them to brag about. I do appreciate yor goal to paint a broader picture, but each of the 10 may realy be expanded into long texts, rather than shrunk into 2 sentences. Once again, please take a look at WWII. there is WWII, there is Operation Barbarossa, there is Battle of Stalingrad. mikka (t) 19:23, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

Disagree. This article (Russo-Turkish wars) is kind of disambiguation page, for ease of navigation. In fact, it must be renamed into singular: Russo-Turkish War (look here, lots of links). Another one ("History of Russo-Turkish wars") is an overview. mikka (t) 01:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Great redirect mess-up and anti-Turkish pov

This set of articles was in a state of total mess-up. I tried to clear tings up and restore the content of Russo-Turkish Wars. I do not know why you guys are trying to delete the contents. Is this some kind of anti-Turkish POV? -- Petri Krohn 17:13, 5 May 2006 (UTC)