Talk:Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov

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It has been proposed below that Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov be renamed and moved to Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov.

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[edit] Article name

Isn't there a better way to name this article? The article for the USS John C. Stennis is not called 'American aircraft carrier John C. Stennis'.

No, the Stennis is at "United States Ship John C. Stennis," just as the Ark Royal is at "Her Majesty's Ship Ark Royal" -- there just happens to be common abbreviations for United States Ship and Her Majesty's Ship which we are using.

Other articles on ships use only the ships name for a title.

And when I find them, I correct them. Is "George Washington" a person or a ship? Is "Constitution" a piece of paper or a ship?

If there is no common designation for Soviet ships equivalent to HMS or USS, then we could just put this article at Kuznetsov.

How do we disambiguate the ship from the human being?
A disambig page?

Besides, if we are going to be precise on this, the exact name is "Admiral of the fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" (Admiral flota Sovetskogo sojuza Kuznetsov). So please, correct it.

[edit] Cruiser?

I vaguely remember reading somewhere that the Kuzenetsov was designated a heavy aircraft crusier rather than an aircraft carrier to get around treaty limits which forbade aircraft carriers from transiting the Bosphorus. I didn't add this to the main text because I can't find the exact treaty so this might be an urban legend.

[edit] Disposition

When was this ship sold to China?

  • The Admrial Kuznetsov wasn't sold to China, the hull of the Varyag was

--Mtnerd 02:12, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

    • "The Admrial Kuznetsov wasn't sold to China, the hull of the Varyag was"

we should take out the section saying that it was sold if this is true. Dudtz 8/20/05 3:24 PM EST


[edit] Speed

The article lists a maximum speed of 29kts in the text body, then 32kts in the summary. Which is correct? Also, is this ship operated normally as part of the Black Sea fleet? Or (since Russia has only one) is it rotated between fleets?--KBrown 20:27, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Aircraft complement

Everything I've seen in Western Sources gives the Kuznetsov as carrying the Flanker variant rather than the Yak-41 Freestyle. Could we have some information on that? --Mtnerd 02:12, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The article from Japanese Wikipedia gives its aircrafts as folows; 18 Su-33UB (=Su-27KUB), 2 Su-25UTG (trainer crafts), 16 Ka-27, 2 Ka-31 (modified Ka-27). In addition, 18 MIG-29K was planned, but cancelled due to the financial reason. Also, Yak-44E (air-borne radar craft) was designed but cancelled for the same reason. Since this ship only needs STOL crafts because of its long flight deck, it doesn't make sense to carry Yak-141. -- Revth 12:17, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Yak 41 never entered the production stage. There are several prototypes but no serial plane. Thus is impossible for the Kuznetsov to carry them.

There is a contradiction in the article : "Fixed-wing aircraft on Admiral Kuznetsovs are essentially constrained to air superiority operations." However aircrafts which he carry include Su-25 ground attack plane. Serg3d2 08:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Names

I've removed: "The vessel was briefly named Kremlin" - unless somebody finds a reliable source. Instead, I've added information about names from: В.П.Заблоцкий Тяжелый авианесущий крейсер «Адмирал Кузнецов» Pibwl ←« 18:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maximum number of aircrafts allowed?

Hi, I am asking this just for curiosity. In the instruction manual of a 1/700 model of this ship, it says that she is allowed to support around 60 aircrafts. I wonder if that is really true? http://www.1999.co.jp/dbimages/user/hobby/itbig/10046391ek.jpg

I'll look around. By the way, I believe when referring to Russian ships the proper term is "he." Something about ships being masculine in Russian rather than feminine.LWF 15:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Requested move

Soviet aircraft carrier Kuznetsov → Soviet aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov — Nobody calls it "Kuznetsov"—it's always referred to as "Admiral Kuznetsov." —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 15:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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