Portal talk:Russia

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Contents 1 Thanks to Zscout370 2 Soviet Composers Category 3 Russian project 4 Debugging 5 Board for Announcements at this Wikiportal 6 Imperial Russia article needs major expansion 7 FA Project 8 A concern: little activity 9 Ferezja 10 WikiProject Soviet Union 11 Cyrillic in Wikipedia 12 Katyń massacre for FAC 13 top ten russian baby names? 14 Edit war on Vorkuta 15 Help request 16 Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia 17 Help with translations 18 Where does one go for help/review? 19 A minor concern 20 Portal:Russland 21 help on translation of currencies 22 "Russia, As Seen and Described by Famous Writers" 23 Music (and works of art, for that matter) 24 Russian History Project 25 Runet 26 what is the regime style?

[edit] Thanks to Zscout370

A great job making this portal! Thanks, Zscout370!!! Definetely a Barnstar! Irpen 03:48, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I created this WikiPortal after I saw the India WikiPortal. I wanted to give this a chance, since the WikiProject with the Russian notice board is pretty much dead. If you have any questions, just let me know here or on my talk page. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 03:56, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Soviet Composers Category

How does one create a category? I think a project on Soviet Composers, and a corresponding category look like good ideas. Any advice?Crocodilicus 05:07, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian project

• Topic for discussion: Please, describe a purpose (goal, targets) of Russian Collaboration Projects. How someone got an idea to be involved in the first place. Vald 12:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
• Need to know if someone knows somebody involved in Russian projects in German/French wikipedia? Vald 12:30, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Debugging

Great job. Finally this place is looks well. But there is a slight issue(I'm always there to upset people), I've opened this page in Firefox, and every section is dangling over another, in IE it looks fine. I fail to fix the styles myself(tried inserting some float: etc.), but I think we need someone to do it since this browser is important for Open Source movement and which has a lot to do with Wiki, and it also claims to be standards-compliant - i.e. what renders in it, should render elsewhere properly . By comparison Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Information technology is fine. At least someone open it in other browser just to check that it's not my install too drugged on extensions renders it like that.Gnomz007 04:47, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I used the templates that were standard with the portal, and I also use Internet Explorer. I am very sorry that the page does not work well in Firefox. I will see what I can do, but I must download that broswer first to see what is going on. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 04:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Please, don't be sorry, you've made this whole thing Gnomz007 05:11, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, it looks perfect hooray Gnomz007 05:16, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I am glad it worked! What I did is I went to the Portal you mentioned and I just copied the formatting. I kept the same bgcolor, text color, etc for this Portal. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 05:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

About that link I doubt it's possible to recolor it, since the link redefines color within <a> tag and you can not write it directly, and hence you can not change the color for that particular tag. Well blue was such a good idea (unlike white and red) Gnomz007 08:59, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

I kept the blue for the heading, but I changed all of the others to grey. The links come out better in grey. I also still need to come up with a dicision to what should happen to the Noticeboard. I put a link at the Noticeboard that everything going on there will take place here now. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:35, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Even though this subject is long-closed, just for general information, actually there was a way to add any kind of formatting inside the link the trick is to include the formatting in alternative text [[Cascading Style Sheets|<span style="color:red;">l</span><span style="color:green;">i</span><span style="color:blue;">n</span><span style="color:black;font-weight:bold;">k</span>]], but alas - what is being formatted is inside the link, so you will never fix that underlining, which in my guess is done with border-bottom: solid .1em, or something, anyway - there is no way to modify it. –Gnomz⁰⁰⁷(?) 03:31, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

You lost me there, sorry. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 07:11, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I was guessing that :), just could not have a discussion, where I stated the opposite closed, anyway it would now work for portal formatting, unless you match the color to the underline, or make it a real underline in css.–Gnomz⁰⁰⁷(?) 14:18, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Board for Announcements at this Wikiportal

In addition to the "Russian Collaboration Projects" section for lacking articles on important topics, it would be nice to have a place to announce other newly created articles. Some of the new articles' topics are not worthy enough to be featured on the portal's main page, but still may get attention of the editors who watch the board and happen to be interested in the particular topic. Perhaps a separate "Newly created articles notice board" with the link from the portal page is the way to go. Irpen 05:29, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

Done! Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Russia/New_article_announcements created and linked to portal's front page. Irpen 06:06, May 23, 2005 (UTC)

I Love it! Zscout370 (Sound Off) 17:04, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Imperial Russia article needs major expansion

I already expanded article Russians, however article Imperial Russia needs major work, its pitifully small compared to articles on German, Ottoman or Austro-Hungarian empires. (Fisenko 01:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC))

Ok, then we can try to list it at the RCOTW. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Guys, Imperial Russia is a navigational article that refers to four articles that correspond to four periods of the Russian History between the end of 17th and beginning of the 20th century. Each of these articles is very good and I don't think it is a good idea to try to move the info from them back to Imperial Russia article. These historic articles are in a great shape, especially if compared to many important ru-related topics. On the other hand, Russians even expanded to its current form, still lacks a lot. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work user:Fisenko put into it and it is indeed now better than it was but still, it needs major work. I am very tempted to revert this change, but don't want to do this without consulting others. So, could we return Russians there for now? -Irpen 02:48, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Sure, you can return "Russians" there. However, I still think what Imperial Russia article can be improved a lot...there is no map, no coat of arms etc., nothing comparable to articles on Ottoman, German or Austro-Hungarian empires. Also most ethnic articles such as Poles, Ukrainians etc. are in even worse shape. (Fisenko 02:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC))

As for CoA and Map, I agree. I cross-posted the above to the talk:Imperial Russia page. It is really hard to make a good ethnical article, I agree with you. I just looked at Ukrainians. The problem, aside from usual ones, is the cross talk between country, it's history and language articles and optimizing the cross-talk for the ethnical article.

Right now, Imperial Russia is listed at two sections of the portal: in "collaboration projects" and in "things you can do". Would one of the two be sufficient? Then we can feature another one in need of attention. I don't mind it being not the Russians article. -Irpen 03:14, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead and placed Imperial Russia at the Russian COTW. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:54, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] FA Project

Ok, does everyone like to work on a possible Featured Article? If so, I want to create my second FA, Hero of the Russian Federation. I got some links at the bottom, I got photos stashed away and a lot to contribute. If you wish to see what I wish for it to be like, head over to my first FA, Hero of Belarus. Thanks for those who wish to take part. To steal a line from The Hunt For Red October, we shall sail into history. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 19:26, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A concern: little activity

Guys, could we all please be more proactive in terms of updating the portal with new news, featured articles, featured pictures, new articles, DYK stuff etc.? It appears that the portal is already repeating the sad history of the Russian COTW. It seems to be dying slowly, but surely. KNewman 12:36, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

We probably need to have some procedures in place regarding updating the FA, DYK, and other sections. I suspect that some people are just hesitant to touch them because of lack of procedures. The FA process is the very least that needs to be done in that respect.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 13:42, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

The portal appears to be 90% inactive. KNewman June 29, 2005 11:17 (UTC)

Well, I have not had much time updating the portal, since I am still in the process of moving into an appartment. I will try to do what I can in time. Though, sadly, I think my Belarus portal is toast. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 29 June 2005 18:43 (UTC)

I think "new articles" are updated pretty well. I suggested, that those who announce new articles, give a little thought to whether it can be used for DYK (I just posted a note there). That would facilitate updating the DYK section too. Also, please consider posting info to WP:DYK, though, even if featured there, it would not necessarily bring editors to the article. Garrison schools was DYK featured on the WP main page for the whole day and not a single edit :(.

Images: I just posted a call in "Find images". Hope, it will help.

Also, we need to encourage the more active usage of Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board. It may help to improve many articles and topics.

News: that's, I think, the item where not updating is the most catastrophic. Either we get volunteers, or we need a procedure or smth. It is a time consuming and not very rewarding work. But when a stranger walks in to a portal, other sections' not being updated would still be fine, while old stuff in news sections looks pitiful. Will be back with more later. -Irpen June 29, 2005 20:03 (UTC)

The news I put there came from Wikinews, but yall are welcome to bring it in from other sources, or change the format completely. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 29 June 2005 19:33 (UTC)

Russia is not much covered in Wikinews, unfortunately. We should just post some one-two sentence news we find ourselves. I think it should be less about politics and more on things of interest to Wikicommunity. I try (not hard enough) to do that for the draft version of Ukraine portal. -Irpen June 29, 2005 20:03 (UTC)

[edit] Ferezja

Since we had recently some discussion about old Polish clothing names, I have stumbled upon a Russian-related article on Polish Wiki - pl:Ferezja. Does it have an equivalent on English or Russian wikis? I'd be happy to translate it, if I knew what was the correct name for it :) (fieriez? doesn't sound too russian to me...) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, there was such clothing in Russia called ферязь (also ферезь), which may be transliterated as feryaz (or ferez). Russian dictionaries say only a couple of lines about it, nothing special. KNewman 03:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, a one men dictionary entry is another men trasure :) So if anybody could translate it and create a stub and possibly throw a pic in the mix, I think it would be great :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:07, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Soviet Union

Hi all, I'm putting together a project to expand and standardise articles on the Soviet Union. Your input would be greatly received at: WikiProject Soviet Union. Thanks - FrancisTyers 22:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cyrillic in Wikipedia

Please see the new page at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic), aimed at

1. Documenting the use of Cyrillic and its transliteration in Wikipedia
2. Discussing potential revision of current practices

—Michael Z. 2005-12-9 20:33 Z

I believe each article should contain a transliteration and a pronunciation guide, with the former following GOST and the latter following commonly accepted western standards.

Cyrillic    GOST
А          | A
Б          | B
В          | V
Г (RU)     | G
Г (UA, BE) | G
Ґ (UA)     | H
Д          | D
Е (RU)     | E
Е (BE)     | JE
Е (UA)     | E
Ё (RU)      | E
Ё (BE)     | JO
Є (UA)     | JE
Ж          | ZH
З          | Z
И (RU)     | I
И (UA)     | Y
І (UA, BE) | I
Ї (UA)     | JI
Й          | J
К          | K
Л          | L
М          | M
Н          | N
О          | O
П          | P
Р          | R
С          | S
Т          | T
У          | U
Ў (BE)     | W
Ц          | C
Ф          | F
Х          | KH 
Ч          | CH
Ш          | SH
Щ (RU, UA) | SHCH
Ъ (RU)     | `
' (UA, BE) | `
Ы (RU, BE) | Y
Ь          | '
Э (RU)     | EH
Э (BE)     | E
Ю          | JU
Я          | JA

Kazak 20:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean "each article that contains any Russian words or names"?

Wikipedia currently uses a modified version of BGN/PCGN for its transliteration of Russian, and IPA for pronunciation. Proposals for changes to the former are welcome at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Cyrillic), but the latter is not likely to change, but the place to discuss it would be Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (pronunciation). —Michael Z. 2006-01-17 20:47 Z

Keep in mind, the average English reader has no idea of how to pronounce a Polish names such as Tadeusz Kościuszko, yet the article exists because Poland has an official Latin alphabet. Even Belarus's unofficial Lacinka alphabet is widely used - since GOST is the closest thing to an official Russian Latin alphabet, we should use that as well. Kazak 01:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Katyń massacre for FAC

This controversial article has recently benefited from much expantion and addition of many footnoted references (I am currently working on transforming elinks into proper footnotes). I think it is quite comprehensive and close to FAC, but I'd ask you to look over it, see if it needs any NPOV (Ghirlandajo left an NPOV tag recently) and provide any other references you may deem useful. Especially the last section 'The truth surfaces' needs NPOVing, starting with a title (I couldn't figure out anything better after I shuffled the sections yesterday, making the 'post-Soviet developments' name obsolete (as that section now includes material from late 80s). I hope to see your input guys!--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] top ten russian baby names?

Hi:) The page Most popular names is missing Russia. Has anybody seen a list they could include? Which name is most popular at the moment? Igor? Ivan? Alexander? Jameswilson 03:38, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit war on Vorkuta

An edit war has erupted over Vorkuta. It has now resulted in the locking of the page from editing. Please discuss the issues at Talk:Vorkuta. -- Petri Krohn 09:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Moved to Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board -- Petri Krohn 08:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help request

I am working on currency articles. Could some Russian expert help validating my transliteration in the infobox of Russian ruble? I'm trying to make it like Ukrainian hryvnia. Thanks. --Chochopk 19:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I meant, help on the plural. --Chochopk 20:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Russian transliteration guidelines are available at WP:RUS. I made some corrections. Not quite sure where exactly you need help with the plural. Could you, please, clarify? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia

Hello. The article on the last Grand Duchess of Imperial Russia, Olga Alexandrovna Romanova, is complete of facts, biographical information, and is furthermore packed with the needed information. Now the information and technical matters within the article must be resolved in order to promote the article to Featured Article status. Thank you for your time and please visit the article here (Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna of Russia) and make comments on how to improve the article at its Wikipedia: Peer Review page here: [1]. Thanks again. -- AJ24 23:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help with translations

I'm currently working on a script intended to create short articles on political parties on a variety of wikipedias simultaneously. However, in order for the technique to work I need help with translations to various languages. If you know any of the languages listed at User:Soman/Lang-Help , then please help by filling in the blanks. For example I need help with Russian. Thanks, --Soman 12:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Not sure how useful the resulting stubs are going to be, but I translated the Russian section. There were a few points I was not too sure about (I marked them as such), and the whole section could use an extra pair of eyes; but the translation is mostly complete. Please let me know if you have any questions or need anything else.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:06, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Where does one go for help/review?

I could've sworn that I saw a link somewhere on this portal to a page were Russian speakers, or native Russians, or people who are otherwise experts in all things Russia, would review an article on a Russian topic for you. Does such a page exist or should I just ask it here? I'll just assume the later for the moment for the sake of expediency: I wrote an article on the Kengir uprising and want to bring the article up to FA status. To do so I think it's necessary that I get some Russian eyes on this thing, mainly because I'm just a kind of subpar Russophile and not so well versed in its history and I feel like I might be mischaracterizing some things, especially in the "background" and "significance" sections. Any help or advice would much appreciated! --Clngre 12:27, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A minor concern

I wish to address a minor concern here. Notice that all the featured portals on Wikipedia are linked to a Portal namespace. But the edit links in the portal boxes link to a template namespace. For more information about this, please read this subsection. Isn't it better to standardize this on Wikipedia? --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 19:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Russland

Hello, I am the sysop of th german vision of the portal:Russia, maybey the sysop of the english one, can connect me, to combine the 2 portals nearer then now.

You can also send mee a message, if you have any ideas of connecting the german portals about the diviedes states of the USSR, like the russian portal, or the portal moscow.

Therefore Please check User Manecke!

With greatings manecke!

[edit] help on translation of currencies

Can anyone help translating/validating the Russian names of these currencies in their infoboxes?

• Kazakhstani tenge (validation)
• Kyrgyzstani som (I suppose Кыргызская сом is wrong because Кыргызская is fem.)
• Tajikistani somoni (translation)
• Turkmenistani manat (translation)
• Uzbekistani som (translation)
• Belarusian ruble (validation)
• Ukrainian hryvnia (translation)
• Transnistrian ruble (validation)

By the way, the style of the local name in currency infobox says "Use capitalization rule as if it is in the middle of a sentence in that language." Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I've validated existing russian names and corrected, don't think that translation is needed in any cases - Russian is not official language in those countries. -- tasc ^words_deeds 09:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect. Belarus and Kyrgyzstan are bilingual. The Minister of Finance who introduced the som was Russian-speaking. --Pan Gerwazy 20:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect what? -- tasc ^words_deeds 20:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Russia, As Seen and Described by Famous Writers"

This 1909 book has been posted to the project gutenberg site.[2] The HTML version of the book contains a number of image scans from the period. They are of below average to average quality due to their age, but a few might be of possible interest for Russian history pages. Thanks. — RJH (talk) 20:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music (and works of art, for that matter)

What are the standards for naming 'work of art articles'? Specifically, how should albums be named. Should they be transliterated, translated or both?I If both, in what order should they be listed. Also, I am not sure how to list songs properly. My first insinct is to list them by the transliterated name, with the translated name in brackets. Crocodilicus 06:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Kino (band) is what I am working on right now. Crocodilicus 06:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You might want to ask your questions at WP:ALBUM, where folks are more knowledgeable about music-related conventions..—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Russian History Project

Hi Folks:

I'm one of a group of Russian historians who are considering setting up a WP Russian history project. Most of the members of this group are history professors, and their primary interest is to see that WP entries on Russian history are accurate and well categorized, primarily because their students use them all the time. WP has really become the source of first resort for many students, so we need to make sure it's trustworthy. The idea itself was generated on two professional listserv, H-Russia and H-EarlySlavic. The logs of the on-going discussion are there if you would like to review them.

We'd like your help and cooperation, and would be interested in your thoughts.

If you are interested in knowing more about me, see Marshall Poe. You can email me at marshallpoe at gmail dt com. MarshallPoe 15:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

PS: I've contacted the people over at the Russia project.

[edit] Runet

Please, take a look at Runet article. Now it is: "Runet (short for Russian Internet) is a major Russian Internet service provider. It supports web portals constructed by its users[1]". --ajvol 09:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It has been updated. --ssr ^{c т} 23:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] what is the regime style?

presedential federative republic or presedential federation.

according to the russian constitution Russia is a federation with a republican form of government. Superzohar 21:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Its a presidential federation, or at least thats my opinion :) Fethroesforia 15:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)