Talk:Rules of the Death Note

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• Comment: "If a Death Note owner accidently misspells a name four time, that person will be free from being killed by the Death Note. However, if they intentionally misspell the name four times, the Death Note owner will die." Doesn't this seem non-cannonical, as the first person Light killed had his name written in the Death Note 6 or 7 times? Is this a real rule, a mistranslation or a retcon? SlaserX 17:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a real rule. The English parts were written down by the authors themselves so there wasn't any translation involved. Here's a scan of the page where the rule is from: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8376/deathnote060140ly5.jpgStrawHatLuffy 06:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe one of the first four names he wrote was the correct one, hence why he died. He was just trying out different kanji combinations. Chibi Gohan 15:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I've checked the manga - the first name he wrote is correct. Chuayw2000 11:58, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Copyvio? 1.1 Anime-displayed rules 2 Shinigami versus God of Death 3 Merge with main article

[edit] Copyvio?

I think the "How to use" is totally copyrighted, and it is far from being able to be fair use. Should we remove all of them?--Littlebtc 16:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I just did. It's a copyvio no matter how you look at it.--Toffile 01:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Just a clarification, each one of the rules only appears at the first page of each chapter release in the Jump magazine. It wasn't directly copied from a published "compendium" list. If you look at it that way (that is, only one line per chapter is taken) it should qualify as fair use. If you still think it is a copyvio, then it is much a copyvio as "Episode listings" here on Wikipedia, since that also only takes one line from each episode. Your call though, I'm just a Wiki newbie voicing an opinion. -- Guest 07:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a difference between copying an episode title (which isn't copyrighted...the actual content in the episode is), and listing all 66 sets of rules, sorted by volume and chapter (which was published, and has a copyright). --Toffile 07:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

That comparison was meant in regard to the factors to consider in fair use, specifically "the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole" (taken from Wiki article on Fair use). And yes, it has a copyright, that is why I am arguing that it is fair use. I'm doubtful as to your statement about episode titles not being copyrighted, but that's not the point so I'll let it slide. More on the topic at hand, I'm not really well-versed in Copyright Laws, but after reviewing Wiki's articles on "fair use" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use) and "fair use on Wikipedia" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use), my analysis is that it perfectly qualifies as fair use.

"the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;" - obviously the unwritten rules are listed for a nonprofit educational purpose.

"the nature of the copyrighted work;" - Death Note is a manga. It is published for the story. The unwritten rules listing does not replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media.

"the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;" - It is only one line per chapter. One line that doesn't even include the story. Substantially smaller in proportion to the whole. As I said, the said one-liner does not even include the story itself, which is the market role of said copyrighted media.

"the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work." - obviously none. As I've said several times, the market role of the manga is not replaced. It doesn't even undermine it the slightest, nor does it even play that role at all. If anything, it is more of a reference.

"In short, we must often... look to the nature and objects of the selections made, the quantity and value of the materials used, and the degree in which the use may prejudice the sale, or diminish the profits, or supersede the objects, of the original work." - none of which a list of rules does.

Also reviewing the Case citations of fair use, those that do not include what is referred to as "the most important parts of the copyrighted work, in order to supersede the original use of the work" have been declared as fair use. Obviously, the unwritten rules fall in this category, does it not? --Guest 08:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read the section on WP:FAIR about acceptable quotations of text.

'Brief attributed quotations of copyrighted text used to illustrate a point, establish context, ... In general, extensive quotation of copyrighted news materials (such as newspapers and wire services), movie scripts, or any other copyrighted text is not fair use and is prohibited by Wikipedia policy.

There's nothing brief or non-extensive about copying 66 pages worth of material.(Oh, and it's more than one line per chapter.[1])..--Toffile 16:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I added an "Other Rules" section which refers to them but doesn't blatantly list every single one. I list one of them as the L section of the Character list links to this page. I specifically added the rule that I did to add context to the link. Teh Shingen 07:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anime-displayed rules

I think that someone should post all the rules that are shown in the anime halfway through the show. I could do it, what do you guys think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yokv (talk • contribs).

I disagree. It's still copyright violation, whether the source is from the manga or the anime. Nique talk 17:15, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

How is it copyright violation? I was just stating the rules, I didn't use them as my own or said they were mine.

Have a look at WP:COPYVIO and the links there for more information on copyright violation on Wiki. Just because you didn't claim it as your own, doesn't mean it's not copyright violation. Basically, we can't post large amounts of copyrighted information (like the list of rules) because it infringes on the copyright. It doesn't matter if it states clearly where it comes from or not, it still infringes on it. Does that make sense? ^^; Nique talk 14:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shinigami versus God of Death

I've added a short discussion about the use of Shinigami versus the use of God of Death on the talk page for Death Note. There's an inconsistency, because most of the main article uses Shinigami but this article uses mostly God of Death with a few instances of Shinigami toward the end. I was just wondering if we could decide on one term to use throughout Death Note articles, so that there's no confusion about what's being referred to. Please feel free to contribute your thoughts over there! Nique1287 15:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

For the rules, the manga-ka seems to prefer to use God of Death and has not used Shinigami in any of the rules. I think we should preserve the original wordings. Chuayw2000 07:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

You might want to contribute to the discussion over on the Talk page for the main Death Note article with this, then. (I still don't know how to make links to talk pages. XD Sorry) The thing is, were the rules written in English in the tankobon, or were they written in Japanese and translated for this page? Since God of Death is one translation of Shinigami, if they were translated then this point is kind of redundant, and we still don't know the intentions. If all those rules were written in English in the original tankobon, however, then God of Death should definitely considered. Again, please mention this over on the main Death Note talk page! Nique1287 20:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. You might want to see http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8376/deathnote060140ly5.jpg They are included with the Japanese volumes. Chuayw2000 15:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with main article

Is there really a need for a separate article for the rules of the death note? It could very well be included in a sub-section of the main Death Note article. -Anaythea 01:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree; since we cannot list all of the rules, this article isn't very helpful. Wixteria 04:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)