Talk:Rudolf von Sebottendorf

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[edit] Sufism?

The link of von Sebettendorf with sufism should be taken with extreme care.

1°) is undocumented in the article.

2°) it does not realy relate to "sufi meditation" in particular which presumably would mean actual affiliation to an order.

It is very hard to understand how extreme anti-semitism can relate to the spiritual deepening of the understanding of the Abrahamic root particular to the semitic "ahl al kitab" (=the people of the Book). If the link is due to guesswork based on a confusion over occultism and mme Blavatsky one can not but feel sorry for the original student wrestling with the matter. It would appear Mme Blavatsky her significance for "informed guesswork" on religious spiritualty became obsolete well before the close of the 19th century. (see: Parliament of the World's Religions)

• On Parliament of World's Religions see: Rick Fields, "How the Swans came to the Lake: A Narrative History of Buddhism in America." Boulder: Shambala, 1981
• On Sufi meditation from a recent perspective but with some bearing on Aryan culture see: Irina Tweedy, "The Chasm Of Fire --A womans experience of liberation through the teachings of a Sufi Master" Tisbury, Wiltshire: Element Books, 1979 (Lunarian 10:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC))

Yes, Sufism. I've expanded this and related articles and now, I hope, all is clearer. Mark Sedgwick 09:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

For standard research on Bektashi and Sufism in Turkey in 1912 see:

Lucy M.J.Garnett: "The Derwishes of Turkey", originally published in 1912, reedited by Octagon Press London in 199O (Lunarian 11:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

On the (marginal) significance of von Sebettendorf for Bekthasi study see:

Thierry Zarcone: "Mystiques, Philosophes et Francs-maçons en Islam" Bibliothèque de l'Institut Français d'Etudes Anatoliennes d'Istanbul XXXVII, Paris Maisonneuve 1993

(Lunarian 13:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

Sebottendorf and Crowley both where interested in the Sufis witch have a lot of different teachings. Both where memners of the britsich Secret service and have been to agypt. I sugest that the Baron ( Freiherr) was allready working for the british during the first world war, the Thule Organisation ( the core of the SS)witch was prakticly his foundation was liked to the freecorps moovement witch destroid the kommunist uprises in germany after the second world war and where supported by the british. Member in this time was Hess and Himmler. ( both may be killed by the britisch secret service and so probably Sebottendorf too) It does not looke nice in history books that the coreorganisation from witch the SS came may have had some british agents and founding members. J.

Their are the dark sides of secret society and their are roumers that theire are even existiv secret societies of jews against jews things witch go back way back in history to the days of the pyramids. you are just starting to look at the screts and I know only the surface too. ( unsigned comment )

-/ !!??!! Aber tass is extremely gravy ( mais, c'est tres grave )!?!?

(Lunarian 12:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC))