User talk:Rtc

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Contents 1 3RR warning 2 3RR 3 Pseudoscience article 4 OpenVZ marked as essay 5 Science 6 3RR

[edit] 3RR warning

On the creation-evolution article you are getting very close to WP:3RR. JoshuaZ 12:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

I did not assert that your next revert would put you over merely that your pattern was getting you very close it. As for your other comments, I will respond to them when I have time. JoshuaZ 20:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It might also be helpful if you explicitly brought up the matter of the merger and explained your position on the talk page. Even if there was consensus for the merger earlier it does not look like there is now. JoshuaZ 20:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Also one more point- if the editors thought what you did was POV you may want to ask them on their talk pages and explain wht you did it. JoshuaZ 21:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You say you have opened a discussion of your intended pages on Talk:Creation-evolution controversy. Are you referring to your Sept. 13th and 14th edits to the section "German Poll"? Because they only seem to cover some of the material you inserted; they do not speak to all the material which was inserted and then reverted. How about we discuss this on that talk page in a new section called "Rtc's Proposed Changes"? Cheers, Kasreyn 04:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Rtc, my understanding of WP:3RR is that edits which constitute a partial revert - where part of the material is restored to its previous form - also count towards one's limit. Otherwise, 3RR would be utterly unenforceable, as revert-warriors would simply add new content with every revert and claim that, as it isn't an exact revert, it isn't a revert at all and doesn't count. Cheers, Kasreyn 04:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Really, Kasreyn, I do not see[1] what "material [I am supposed to have] inserted" you are talking about. I did not insert any material, I slightly corrected incorrect changes and did a merger discussed long ago. Yes, I am refering to Sept. 13 and 14 edits to "German Poll". Did you read them? Did you read User talk:JoshuaZ#Creation-evolution controversy? Why don't I get any follow-up on talk page of the arctile nor on the JoshuaZ talk page just mentioned? Why does nobody give quotations of what they reject about my change or give any comment about them at all? All I know is that "rv POV" and "you are wrong" and "you have been rejected by x editors" and unspecific claims that I have inserted "material". You can write English on my German user page, but you can also reply here. I don't mind. I am only checking english WP once a day, though. Your opinion about 3RR is wrong. If the changes are progressive towards a common goal (I took back bias claim), it is perfectly okay to go into a "quasi-"edit-war (I'd call it an cooperative edit session). --Rtc 18:53, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pseudoscience article

Rtc, I apologize for getting so snappy earlier. You have a wealth of valuable points regarding Popper; thanks very much for that set of contributions. ... Kenosis 14:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I apologize, too, for harsh language. --Rtc 14:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Rtc, I'm not sure I agree with all your points, but I do know that you know more about Popper than do I, so I'm staying out of that part. No point in looking egregiously stupid.  ;) One note, beware Krishna -- he's the expert beyond all experts.
One other point, if you could recommend just one book by Popper (or about Popper) what would it be? Thanks. •Jim62sch• 10:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course The Logic of Scientific Discovery. Many people believe to know what's in the book, but once you read it, you will be surprised, I guarantee. (However, editing the Pseudoscience article, I sadly noticed that very important appendices *XIII–*XX and some prefaces seem to be exclusive so far to the German version. So if you can get your hands on 11th edition of the German version, I can really recommend it. The editor also added a detailed section about the development of the book.). The Logic is a very early book, if you want to see the improvements that have been made to Popper's critical rationalism in the meantime, also read David Miller: Critical rationalism. A re-statement and defence. PS: I'm surely not an expert, more the interested laymen. But on wikipedia, once you have read the book you are writing about, you almost count as an expert ;) Unfortunately wikipedians google too much and there is a bias to web sources, which are often of bad quality... --Rtc 10:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll get the Popper book (English first...my German is fine as far as reasonably non-complex conversations or contributions to Wiki, but technical stuff takes a good bit more effort), then I can look into Miller. You have a good point about Wiki being google-happy -- but I suppose that's just easier for so many these days. However, it's also less productive as many people have great difficulty filtering out or even noticing the bias. Of course, a lot of it has to do with the nuances of English, but I know that in the US, nuances are missed left and right, thus leading to miscomprehension (of course, that's often the writer's goal). Again, many thanks. •Jim62sch• 21:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OpenVZ marked as essay

You have recently marked OpenVZ article with Template:Essay-entry, but haven't provided any explanation why you think so. To my mind, article is very technical, specific and to the point. So could you please elaborate and tell something about your decision (preferrably on the Talk:OpenVZ page)? --K001 11:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Science

Thanks for getting the lead of the article on Science back to a more reasonable expression of the concept, RTC. You're right; it is definitely not "and/or...". ... Kenosis 03:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3RR

Careful, lad. You're vvery close to 3RR over on Irreducible Complexity. Adam Cuerden ^talk 19:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm from German Wikipedia. We do not have 3RR here, for good reason. You should abandon it, too. PS: there's also WP:NPOV. It's more important to enforce that policy... --Rtc 19:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You've gone over the 3RR. This is the English Wikipedia and it does have the 3RR rule even if the German one doesn't.-Psychohistorian 19:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't search an excuse for adding POV. Adding POV is forbidden even if you can allegedly trick the opponent into 3RR. Don'T game the system, or you may be blocked. --Rtc 19:29, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You have been reported for violating the 3RR.-Psychohistorian 19:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

You may also want to reread the 3RR policy - particularly the part which states, "Even if you are making other changes at the same time, continually undoing other editors' work counts as reverting. "Complex partial reverts" refer to reverts that remove or re-add only some of the disputed material while adding new material at the same time, which is often done in an effort to disguise the reverting. This type of edit counts toward 3RR, regardless of the editor's intention."-Psychohistorian 19:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

In fact, I did not undo work. I added the source in a different way: [2]. Unfortunately my compromise was ignored completely. Why didn't you AGF and discuss on the talk page, but immediately worked towards getting me blocked? Why was my message on the talk page removed, suggesting I wasn't using discussion? --Rtc 21:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)