Talk:Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom

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Contents 1 Precedence: France v. England 2 New version of the arms 3 Versions since Victoria 4 King of Ireland 5 Joint Reigns 6 Crest in Northern Ireland 7 language

[edit] Precedence: France v. England

Could it be that France takes precedence over England in the quartering because France is a more ancient kingdom that England? --Daniel C. Boyer 21:11, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Actually it was more a case of the English monarch wanting to emphasise his claim to France as much (and as much to the annoyance of the French) as possible.

[edit] New version of the arms

Please help me. I've seen new version Great Britain coat of arms. Is this version official? Darius-poland-viki 19:08, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "official". I don't know if the Wikipedia image is an exact copy of the design used by Buckingham Palace, but the image here is a correct rendering of the arms; however, any other drawing with the same arrangement of design elements and colours is also correct. However, it should be noted that the Government of the U.K. generally uses a version without the helmet and mantling, with the crest resting on the top of the shield. The version with the helmet seems to be reserved for use by the Queen herself.--Indefatigable 19:54, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

One black & white version used on used by the government on acts of parliament doesn't seem to have a mound various printed items, another version is more artistic, so the supporters feet are lower,but of course its not the picture that matters but the description. Have you seen blazon under heraldry?

In The Government's version the crown rests directly on the shield. The version with the helmet crest and mantling is used only by the Queen herself - the only woman in the UK allowed by the laws of heraldry to display such items

garryq 10:57, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) garryq 07:38, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Versions since Victoria

The Tower of London has a room with all the Coats of Arms of UK monarchs. In Victoria's the supporters are "lying down" (don't know the proper heraldic term), while QEII has them "standing up". Should this be mentioned? Astrotrain 20:10, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] King of Ireland

Ireland (which had been ruled by the Sovereign of England since 1541).

Surly the Sovereign of England had ruled Ireland for may years before 1541 but as Lord of Ireland instead of King of Ireland. The change being made to emphasise the Henry VIII was second to none in Ireland. --Philip Baird Shearer 08:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

This depends how loosely one interprets "ruled". As stated in the first of the the above, "nominally all-island Irish state" is an apt description; the de facto situation doesn't change for some time after 1541, either. But yes, it should be made clearer that this is a change in title, rather than a change in "facts on the ground". Alai 15:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joint Reigns

Where are Mary and Philip's arms, or Mary and William's arms--both impaled side-by-side? IP Address 08:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crest in Northern Ireland

Does anyone have an image of the crest used in Northern Irland?--Hun2 12:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Unless I am mistaken, the Royal Crest of Ireland (on a torse Azure and Or, a castle triple-towered of the second, from the portal thereof a hart springing Argent attired and hooved Or) has never been used in Northern Ireland. Instead the same arms with the same Royal Crest as used in England and Wales is used in Northern Ireland as the Royal Arms.

But, I may be wrong.

--Bill Du Talk 19:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I read that. But that may also be wrong.--Hun2 09:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] language

I'm not happy with Sakhuluv's recent changes in language, but hesitate to undo them wholesale. —Tamfang 00:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)