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[edit] needs expansion

For instance the 21st century section notes that the A-4 Skyhawk and Aermacchi MB-339 squadrons were disbanded; however, the previous section on the post-world war airforce never notes that they were acquired. Rmhermen 14:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for that

Have added a one para summary of post war developments divided the other two paras into one tracing the combat fleet history and one the support fleet, and and a couple of scentences about the combat fleet aquisitions and losses from the late 60s. However appreciate the whole article tends to be a list of aircraft rather than analysis. What would you like to see? Incidentally, I note someone added a late WWII RNZAF pacific theatre roundel, which promptly got deleted - not sure what the politics of that are, but there was nothing inaccurate about the roundel. Winstonwolfe 21:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

No politics involved. In stating "Aircraft roundel of the RNZAF in later World War II" the caption to that image inferred that it was THE roundel used in later WW11. It wasn't, because there were several different designs. There indeed was something inaccurate about the image -- the yellow ring wasn't complete -- but that's not a biggie. It would be a good idea to show all of the different identification markings used by the RNZAF. User:Hierakares who inserted the image has only made one edit to Wiki, but if he returns I'll try to contact him about it. We could also explain why it was necessary to replace the blue-white-red circular roundel which was used in the Pacific for some time. To the Americans, the RNZAF barred-roundels looked more like American insignia (and therefore friendlies) than the circular one which even had a red dot in it (smaller than the Japanese red dot, but a red dot nonetheless).

- hence the earlier version which reduced the red circle to a miniscule dot, though later research showed pilots were unable to recognise red colour at any distance. I thought some variants of the roundel did not carry the outer yellow round the full circumference, but not a biggie. Full collection - including e.g. post war fernleafs would be a good idea. What did you think about the request for more material?

Hello people! I am not a specialist in questions about RNZAF, in fact I am working mainly for Polish and German Wikipedia. But I made a number of roundels for Wiki-commons in the last weeks and I found this RNZAF-roundel very interesting. The only occurrence I found in fact was in a translation of the book "Flying Colour" by William green & Gordon Swanborough (ISBN 9780861019441) (book with a lot of painted aircraft of WW2, considered to be read and used by modellers) on a RNZAF Douglas Dauntless. I do not remember the squadron, but I will look it up for you. I have got the original picture I uploaded as an editable file, so I would be no problem to change the yellow border. -- Hierakares 17:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Squadron would have been No. 25 Squadron RNZAF . :-) Winstonwolfe 01:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RNZAF Ensign

Having never seen an actual photograph of the RNZAF Ensign, my question is if whether the one pictured containing the RAF-type roundel with "NZ" in the centre is still used or if one with the "Kiwi" roundel is used?--MarshallStack 15:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The roundel in the ensign flown from buildings/flagpoles has the letters NZ. The roundel used on aircraft has the kiwi shape. Moriori 22:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC).

I knew about the "Kiwi" roundel - I've seen it on RNZAF A-4's, C-130's etc., and it's immediately recognisable as a symbol of New Zealand. I find it interesting that the Ensign hasn't been changed to reflect this, as has been the case in Australia (red kangaroo) and Canada (red maple leaf).--MarshallStack 04:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

The official RNZAF ensign, the flag, has the letters NZ in the centre of the roundel. Authority? RNZAF PR in email exchanges today. Moriori 06:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I'm not doubting you. I believe you. I just find it kind of an anomaly that the RNZAF hasn't changed their ensign to reflect the roundel carried on their aircraft, as the Aussies and Canadians have done. It's also the only one in my collection of Commonwealth Air Force Ensigns I don't have; I have one for the RAF, RCAF and RAAF but not the RNZAF.--MarshallStack 23:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)