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Contents 1 Don't delete relationships from the Archie Comics 2 Rouge's Age 3 Edit Block 4 Rouge's Breast Size 4.1 Other Sonic series girls and their breast sizes 5 Sonic and Rouge 6 Knuckles x Rouge relationship 7 Console Market Leave 8 Shadow and Rouge 9 New Picture 10 Quotes 11 Comic 2 Quote!? 12 Character Info/Personality 13 Abilities 14 Rouge's Age 15 Shadow and Rouge 16 Rouge's weight 17 Rouge's translated profile 18 Jumpsuits 19 better than jewels.... 20 Good Article? 21 more picz plz 22 Missing Info 23 Hey what happened to the article? 24 Shadow and Rouge's Relationship 25 17 or 18??? 26 Knuxouge and Shadouge dudes 27 VANDALISM ALERT 28 ENOUGH!!! 29 Does Rouge have a family??

[edit] Don't delete relationships from the Archie Comics

As a character that doesn't have separate articles for different incarnations, all relationships pertaining to this character have a place in this article. Denjo

[edit] Rouge's Age

I've noticed lately that people, specifically 82.33.13.30, adding that she's 17. She's 18! Check her profile on Sonic Channel, or any other site, even Concept Mobius. And please, stop adding that she's 17. I'm sick of correcting it! UnDeRsCoRe 13:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll assist in this matter. Grandmastergalvatron 00:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok this is the last straw 82.33.13.30 just vandilised my page because I kept on reverting the 17 years old edits! Block that IP now! UnDeRsCoRe 15:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

hey wait Rouge is 18 my bad, 82.33.13.30

No, really? UnDeRsCoRe 22:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing his page was totally unnecessary >> Grandmastergalvatron 17:39, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

yea i got a message about that im not even a member of this thing —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.33.13.30 (talk • contribs).

Well, Rouge was originally 18 and it was corrected to 17 in Sonic Heroes. --PJ Pete

Which was later corrected by Sonic Channel which states that she's 18.GrandMasterGalvatron 12:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Shoudn't the age say 17 or 18. Because an instruction manul does say shes 17 and a website says she 18.

Rouge is actually 17, because that's her official age, and she is NOT an adult, although adults are aged 18 and over in most countries. --PJ Pete

The most recent source, Sonic Channel, says she's 18. Leave it as is. GrandMasterGalvatron 13:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Rouge is 18 there was just a mistake in Sonic Heroes manual >_> 83.31.77.254 17:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Block

Can we get a block or something on Rouge's age? Someone insistenly changes it to 17 when it is stated in more than one source that she is not. Grandmastergalvatron 16:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

actually, can we just block IP 82.33.13.30 from editing the page? Grandmastergalvatron 20:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't really think that's a suitible decision. IP 82.33.13.30 isn't necisarily "vandlising", he, or she, just thinks that her age is 17 because of the Heroes manual. We could just send a fair warning, cause obviously IP 82.33.13.30 isn't reading the history page and seeing why we're reverting his/her edits. But if the problem persists, we will have to block edits to Rouge the Bat from IP 82.33.13.30 UnDeRsCoRe 22:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

• Ok this is the last straw 82.33.13.30 just vandilised my page because I kept on reverting the 17 years old edits! Block that IP now! UnDeRsCoRe 15:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rouge's Breast Size

Does this: "In Sonic Adventure 2 Rouge's 3D model has the biggest size of breast (in comparison with other versions)." really need to be known. It isn't really significant. And besides, even if so, why would be the reason of this? I removed it. UnDeRsCoRe 02:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What? No it doesn't! They're all the same, it's the oufits that make them look different. All that's needed is a simple side view. Grandmastergalvatron 00:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone keeps on talking about Rouge's, you knows, in this article. Please stop it. SHE'S A VIDEO GAME CHARACTER. UnDeRsCoRe 21:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

To deny the sexual references of video game characters is quite naive these days. Especially with games like "Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball" and such. Grandmastergalvatron 16:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not denying them (her entire appearence is, undeniably, a sexual refrence to attract "adolenscent (heterosexual) males and lesbians", it's just that the fact that her breasts were any larger, smaller, etc. is not the whole point of this article. The page was getting seemingly stuffed with refrences that her "Breasts were largest in SA2" or "In Shadow the Hedgehog they shrunk". This is an opinionated decision, and wheater or not they were big, small, or just round about not there, has not been confirmed. For all we now, they are all the same size. UnDeRsCoRe 22:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

That I agree with. I've removed many of those statements Grandmastergalvatron 01:51, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I think that Rouge is supposed to be the sex symbol of the Sonic series. Which, by the way, means that Amy is not supposed to be the sex symbol. Just to notify the pervert trolls. --Luigifan 18:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Rouge's outfit in Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog is the same outfit. It seems to me that sega toned her character design down, presumably to make more sutable for a younger audience (even though they didnt remove the gun use in that game, which i think is much worse) I think thats worth a mention. ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 07:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey do you know what would be good? If we lived in a world where people didn't think Amy Rose was a sex symbol and people stopped arguing about Rouge's breasts! SHE'S A GODDAMN FICTIONAL CHARACTER!!! GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I made my point. Roxyr 17:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

So true, Roxyr, soooo true. DeathGodDragon EDGE 22:20, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur. Man, I wish people could get over it, but some people just have a thing for things that they shouldn't be attracted to. --Luigifan 12:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I totally agree. Rouge's "you-know whats" aren't something to be raving about. SHE'S NOT REAL PEOPLE, SHE'S NOT REAL!

DebbieLin 18:08 27 December 2006

[edit] Other Sonic series girls and their breast sizes

While I still say Rouge is the official sex symbol of the Sonic series, I have to point out that Rouge isn't the only character with a large breast size... I can think of two others off the top of my head; Amy Rose and Princess Sally Acorn. Sally, in particular, is controversial because the only clothes she wears are a vest and a pair of boots!! And the vest is always left open!!! If anything, Sally's the one who should be shouted at! I'm not a Sally hater, but, for crying out loud, the lack of clothes is disturbing!!! --Luigifan 03:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Amy? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No really...Amy hardly has any breasts XD. I believe Sonia and Bunnie are more "developed" than she is in that respect.  :P GrandMasterGalvatron 04:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What? Just look at Amy's official artwork from Sonic Heroes. You cannot tell me she doesn't have large... you know. --Luigifan 12:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

• looks at artwork* No...she doesn't :P Seriously... Sonia has a larger chest than Amy does. XD

But then again, this really depends on one's definition of "large"GrandMasterGalvatron 15:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you kidding? Amy looks like an hourglass in that photo! But, this isn't supposed to be about Amy, it's supposed to be about Rouge!!! --Luigifan 21:32, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

True. The point simply is that Rouge and Amy's chest sizes are nowhere near equal ;)GrandMasterGalvatron 22:14, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I never said that they were equal. Just that Amy also had large, well, you know. --Luigifan 22:17, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Are you incapable of saying the word "breast" or something :P Just messing with ya there. Oh...I also want to mention that Rouge's physique has not been altered since her debut (sans a tail removal). I don't know where people are getting the idea that she has been toned down or anything. All it takes is a good view of her side profile to see that she hasn't changed. I also said this before but no physics were altered from SA2 to SA2:B. The frame rate jumped up and since the game moves faster, the screen is usually too busy to notice. GrandMasterGalvatron 22:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I haven't played Sonic Adventure 2, only the remake, so I have no clue what you mean by that. And, I have noticed the 'bouncing boobies' in SA2:B. --Luigifan 22:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, in SA2, the VS mode frame rate was 30 fps as opposed to 60 fps like it is in Battle. This resulted in a slightly slower game. During Rouge's intro pose, her breasts bounced just like some anime chick....they did in her victory pose as well. Although SA2:B does the same, it's a lot faster...I guess that's where people though she was toned down.GrandMasterGalvatron 22:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, the argument over Amy has stagnated, but, come on, Sally's "slut factor" is undeniable. I have to wonder why parents are more disturbed by Rouge than they are by Sally. I mean, for crying out loud, is it that hard to get a bra?!??? Yeesh... --Luigifan 21:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

-- But the male characters are practically clotheless. Why? Because they have nothing objectionable shown. Niether does Sally. Why? Because her anatomy is not drawn to be suggestive, whereas Rouge is. I'd rather have a clotheless sally than a clothless Rouge.

Well, there are two things I have to tell you, Anonymous;

A: Sally's breast size is quite large, and I'm presuming it's only considered to be okay because fur is covering the nipples. Fiona used to have nothing covering her chest area [besides her fur], too... but both her and Sally had much smaller breast sizes then.
B: In all anatomical respects, there should be a private part showing; it's just that the artists always take the "creative liberty" of not drawing it...
C: Breasts are not sexual organs, per se, and it is truly sad that our society cannot distinguish between them being portrayed normally or sexually.

What do you guys do? Pay attention to one thing in a cartoon? The, ahem *mimicking you* "The thingy" of a girl?

--Luigifan 12:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, don't erase my stuff like that! If you disagree about it, then please discuss it with me. Don't just erase it and pretend that it was never there, because that violates Wikipedia policy. --Luigifan 14:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic and Rouge

I don't think Rouge said she would go on a date with him to get Emerl in Sonic Battle. And it was never stated she thinks he's "way too cocky". So I removed the cocky comment. UnDeRsCoRe

It was Sonic who suggested that Rouge was trying to date him. Grandmastergalvatron 16:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, then that means Rouge may not have wanted to date him, Sonic simply thought so. UnDeRsCoRe 22:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Knuckles x Rouge relationship

As seen in the final scene of Heroes, and sonic X, the boy returns Rouge's feelings. There are numerous official sources that indicate she has a crush on him. For example: her profile in Sonic Central, which says She has a crush on a certain red echidna we all know and love. She is secretly inspired by his determination to protect the Master Emerald. The 4kids! website shows this too, and there are many other sources as well.In Sonic Adventure 2, he caught her hand as she was falling. In Sonic X, he blushes around her and shows other signs. Other than that, although he seems to dislike her, it's probable that he actually likes her. Perhaps he's trying to cover it.

Nah. Rouge liking Knuckles is as official as Amy liking Sonic. It even says so on the official Sonic website. And, at the end of Sonic Adventure 2, she said when was talking to him, she said she was going to focus on getting other things than jewels, and then said, "You" under her breath.

What? I really don't remember hearing that. Are you sure she said that? You're not making this up, are you? Anyhow, if the official website said that, then Rouge likes Knuckles and Knuckles probably likes her. --anon

What Rouge said at the end was something to the effect of "I have something better than jewels in mind." She never gave any hint as to what it was, and it seems to have been dropped anyway, because she is still after those jewels.

Actually if you pay close attention to her hand, she lifts up her right hand, the same hand that Sonic gave her Shadow's bracelet.

Whoever keeps mentioning Rouge's breasts on this article, knock it off.-User:Denjo

That's off topic. Denjo, you should be complaining a few sections up. --Luigifan 18:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Maybe this is opinionated, but I think she is just using knuckles to get the M.E. And he likes her. I mean, Thats in character for both of them.

Wait...Do I understand she's trying to do the Knuck man? Roxyr 15:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do NOT get into that. I doubt Sega will EVER imput sex into their games. God, stop speculating. UnDeRsCoRe 16:19, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I think Roxy meant that Rouge was trying to take advantage of Knuckles to get her hands on the Master Emerald. After all, it is official that "Rouge isn't above using her feminine wiles to get what she wants." Still, the fact that she's so flirtatious does kind of make you wonder whether or not she's lost her virginity by now... Or, maybe the misinterpretation is on Roxy's part. --Luigifan 03:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me explain what I meant by do. I mean hoodwink, to pull one over, trick, as I know that Sega will never put sex into their games. I'm completely against it. In fact, I think I wrote about it in the Elise section...Anyway, I hope that clears up confusion. BTW, thanks for calling me Roxy. Roxyr 17:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

That's what I was saying, that Rouge probably was trying to befuddle Knux so that she could make off with the Master Emerald!! --Luigifan 21:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

HEY EVERYONE PLZ LISTEN UP! If you watched the third season of sonic X, or played sonic Heroes or sonic Adventure 2, you know, that they both love each other! KNUCKLES saved Rouge in Adventure 2, they flirted in Heroes, and KNUCKLES protected her from a robot in sonic X. HE also helped her up from the ground, and KNUX blushes, if Rouge flirts with him. If he wouldn't like her, he wouldn't do so.

Just wanted to make a couple points-- a) At [1], in Worldofsonic --> Sonic X, under Rouge's profile it says "Whenever Knuckles is around, Rouge is a lot happier." b) At the same site, in her other profile it states that she does have a crush on him, and is "secretly inspired by his determination to protect the Master Emerald".

It seems most likely that Shadow and Rouge are a close but not romantic relationship and probably will stay that way. In SA2, when Shadow first saves her, he seems to equate it with saving Maria, thus he may see buried deep inside Rouge the same qualities he saw in Maria (she does have a hidden heart, and i'm not refering to her clothing style cause she sometimes shows sympathy for others-she just rarely acts on it). And she has proven to be the one true friend he actually has without Maria (especially since Omega is supposed to be reprogramed to bring him down in the future). However in Sonic06, compared to when Rouge and Shadow meet and they act casual and more like friends (shes even more concerned with the scepter), when Rouge meets Knuckles she becomes more emotional, like a school girl with a crush (and the same goes toward Knuckles-except hes a boy) despite it being an arguement, which seems more like either denial or not knowing how to express feelings. And don't forget in Sonic Heroes she teases hiim saying something like "i think im going to go after someone else's treasure like the Master Emerald". Her flirting with others including Shadow in Sonic Battle is just part of her personality as she is described as "overflowing with feminete charm" and kinda seems to use it to get her way sometimes - but that part of using it to get what she wants may never actually confirmed. I think she was even flirty with Tails in Sonic Battle and would have probably been with Sonic if he wasnt throwing sarcasm back at her, so her remark calling Shadow handsome isn't unexpected. Also she may be so loyal to Shadow because of how many freakin times he saved her butt sparked a feeling of friendship. This situation reminds me of when the fan community was so convinced that either the original Shadow who knew Maria died in the escape capsule, or Maria was simply made up by Gerald to convince Shadow to carry out his insane plan in SA2, but either way the current Shadow from SA2 never actually met Maria and all his memories of her were fake. We all know it turned out that it turned out that the only false memory was how Gerald changed Maria begging to make the ppl of the world happy, Shadow was the original Shadow, and it was the existance of the Biolizard that caused the confusion - and i predicted it the whole time so please dont take my arguement with a grain of salt. Cigraphix 01:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Console Market Leave

Why did Rouge appear for the first time before Sega left the console market? --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

I dont know, but it doesnt really matter that much. who knows, maby sega will come back to makeing them.-- J.A.B.

[edit] Shadow and Rouge

How do you know Shadow and Rouge have a brother-sister relationship? --anon

They don't, it merely suggests that their relationship is similar to a brother-sister relationship. -- VederJuda 20:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New Picture

>x<ino uploaded a new picture of Rouge, from Shadow the Hedgehog, so I'm putting it on here, in keeping with the giudeline that articles should start with the most up-to-date picture available. -- VederJuda 20:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

You know, the quotes here look too cluttered. We should either get rid of some or move them all to Wikiquote (at the Sonic the Hedgehog section). --anon

When did Rouge kiss knuckles?

In the game or show? --anon

Never - well, in Sonic X I think she may have pecked him on the cheek, but don't quote me on that. On quotes, I think that there should only ever be one quote from each appearance.

Wow.. i can't believe knuckles actually let her kiss him... I wonder if they will have some batidnas? Hmmm... Echidnats or Batidnas, you decide! Dalek

What are Echidnats and Batidnas? Are those their children? Well, a kiss wouldn't make anybody pregnant. --anon

I know something that would! Ha ha ha, naughty little echidna, you! Dalek

I'm rather disturbed now. --Luigifan 18:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

You are all freaks.

I agree. Roxyr

Erm. . . Getting a little off topic?--Qwerty The 3rd 21:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comic 2 Quote!?

Two images sits at the left & right side of the Quote Section.

One of them has to be deleted, so decide.

I say the right one should be deleted

>x<ino 20:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and I also think the quotes should move to Wikiquote! --anon

Good thinking!

>x<ino 02:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

The cover on the right (#152) has Rouge pushed in the back, so I agree that's the one that should go; and I also agree there are too many quotes, there shouldn't be more than 3 or 4. Also, I'm going to move the pictures up, they are about the comic, so they should be contained within the comic section, not drooping down into the quotes section. -- VederJuda 02:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Great work on moving the pics...great we don't need to delete them any more

for the record, the Quotes need to be sorted out!

>x<ino 02:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention the fact that Rouge doesn't even show up in Sonic the Hedgehog #152; Fiona Fox should have been on that cover instead! --Luigifan 18:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

We already decided to keep them on January! That's nearly a year ago. So there's no point in pointing that out now. UnDeRsCoRe 21:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character Info/Personality

I merged the Character Info and Personality subjects as they seemed to be repeating each other. I also moved Rouge's stats to the top of the page, which is where the stats are placed in the other Sonic profiles. --Some girl called Harley.

I hope you people don't mind but, in the finel episode of Sonic X Rouge states she is going to work with Sonic and the gang, and she also had a necklace with a purple heart with silver trimming

So am I like the only one oh noticet that Rouge has fangs

[edit] Abilities

Thanks to 66.61.118.53 coming up with this section, but making a poor edit on it!
I am not a Rouge fan character, so I dunno that much information on her.
But I have some ideas for this section.

I will create a Sub header section under this section "Abilities"

• Sonic Adventure 2
• Sonic Heroes
• Sonic Advanced!?
• Shadow the Hedgehog

With this section we will explain which of her abilites and moves, for example powers up she needs in SA2 and even Upgrade for her skills in Sonic Heroes

I believe my work here is done, I will add the sub section and complete her Sonic Heroes abilities.

"LOOK SHARP PEOPLE...>x<ino and out!">x<ino 01:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Rouge is Knuckles's rivel why can,t she change into super?

Possibly because the ability may be a limited one. Also, she had never had all the emeralds. Grandmastergalvatron 17:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rouge's Age

Please provide evidence that Rouge is 18 and not 17, please. If her age was incorrect in the english manual of Sonic Heroes, I'd like proof that it is wrong, instead of just an assurance that it is correct.Nintenfreak 05:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Done: http://sonic.sega.jp/chara/chara_rouge.html If my memory is correct, she's also listed as 18 in Sonic X. I think the Heroes manual may have been a mistake. --Matt S. 02:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

It's always possible that she simply became older.RememberMe? 00:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the Sonic Heroes manual does say she's 17...I thought she was 18 before that, and now that I see this, I'm so confused...TMNT Donatello 10:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

That was a printing mastake according to sega she is 18

[edit] Shadow and Rouge

In Sonic Battle, I don't remember Rouge calling Shadow "prince". Could somebody please inform me where Rouge says this? --71.104.188.207 06:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC) She says it when he wakes up from fainting. she says 2Aha, so the prince has finally awakened!" Dalek

Isn't that sarcastic or something? Cause it's not exactly a romantic thing to say. --71.118.77.204 01:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like an attempt at a pop culture reference. --DavidHOzAu 03:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

What pop culture reference? --71.105.12.73 02:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Snow white Grandmastergalvatron 17:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rouge's weight

All official sources state that Rouge's weight is unknown, or a "secret," to my knowledge. As such, I've edited the page to match and included a source (though I forgot to include an edit summary--Sorry! Still new here.) If anyone finds a valid source concerning her weight, please speak up. --Matt S. 02:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

It's a well-known stereotype that most women don't like to reveal their weight.  :p --Luigifan 03:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Amy Rose and Blaze the Cat don't have listed weights either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Luigifan (talk • contribs) 12:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

Yes. That's true. I weigh some few pounds over an average girl my age. I don't like to tell. And I'm not a woman yet, a pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-woman, I guess.

[edit] Rouge's translated profile

With some help from Hepburn romanization and [2], I have translated the right-hand-side column of Rouge's profile.

Kanji/Katakana	Hepburn	Modified	Translation
ル一ジュ ・ザ ・バット	ruuju za batto	rūju za batto	romaji: rouge the bat
ル一ジュ	ruuju	rūju	romaji: rouge
コウモユ	koumoyu	koumoyu	???
女 (ニョ)	onna (jo)	onna (jo)	female
105cm	105 sentamitta	105 sentamitta	105cm
シ一勹レット	shiikuretto	shīkuretto	romaji: secret
18歳 (18サイ)	18 sai	18 sai	18-years-old
宝石 (ホウ 石)	houseki (takara ishi)	houseki	gem/jewel (treasure/wealth/valuables stone)
スクリュ一キック	sukuryuu kikku	sukuryū kikku	screw kick

Enjoy, everyone.--DavidHOzAu 07:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Rouge's full name has been added to the article. --DavidHOzAu 08:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jumpsuits

You'ev got to be kidding me am I the only one who notetice that in Shadow the hedgehog gameplay her Jumpsuit was like Sonic adventure 2 but pink!!?

I noticed that. UnDeRsCoRe 17:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

But the Wikipedia article says that Rouge's jumpsuit in Shadow the Hedgehog is "actually colored purple!?" No way!! No offence her jumpsuit color in Shadow the Hedgehog is the same in SA2! >.> Tikal-chan 09:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Not during gameplay it isn't Grandmastergalvatron 00:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] better than jewels....

I know this was already metioned on the talk page, but how come on the part where it talks about Rouge's relationship with Shadow it doesn't mention the part in SA2 in the end where Rouge suggests she might give up hunting jewels because she works to hard for to little; and then says: "Anyway, I've got something better than jewels that I'm thinking about right now...." Maybe, maybe she will say something in the new Sonic game about that

There's no real evidence, though. Either she was thinking about Knuckles and randomly moved her hand (SA2 has a thing for random movements), she made a reference to the bracelet and was thinking about Shadow (Was he really dead? Could've he Chaos Controlled at the last second?), or maybe something completely different Sega hasn't revealed yet. I think something should be added about the "bracelet controversy." Ne?

Yes, ne. I mean, no. The bracelet controversy is very insignificant, people have just made it more than it is by saying blatant rumours and theories. In reality, in could've meant anything. But, either way, it dosen't really matter. So don't bother with the bracelet controversy. And, yes he did survive, so if she was ever going to say something about that bracelet, she should've said it by now. Oh, an, it wasn't a bracelet, it was a ring. They even call it that in Sonic X. UnDeRsCoRe 03:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Isnt it obvious that she is thinking about knuckles? Shes only holding shadow's ring because sonic gave it to her. Sega have stated that she has a crush on knuckles. Her relationship with shads seems to be just a brother/sister relationship. ROSSYMILES (ロシマイルス) TALK 02:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article?

What will it take for this article to become a Good Article? Paul Haymon 00:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Wait, I just realized the answer: A whole lot of work. Paul Haymon 19:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you mind on telling us what you think we should do? UnDeRsCoRe 20:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

For starters let's remove the critisim section. Coconutfred73 14: 51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Kill'dGrandMasterGalvatron 20:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

In response to UnDeRsCoRe, it's mainly an issue of prose. The article is probably around B-Class right now, but a restructuring of the sentences and complexity of the words used is mostly what is needed. The article has actually gotten a lot better since I asked the initial question on Sept. 26. I'll help with this issue, don't worry. Paul Haymon 22:49, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helping out~ I'll try and help out too, if I have the time. UnDeRsCoRe 22:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more picz plz

ok guyz we need 2 get more picz of rouge on thsi page their just arent enough!!!!!11!!1/ MultiJoe 23:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

No we don't. There is only one (the Sonic Battle Art) that isn't up. We don't need anymore up, there's enough. UnDeRsCoRe 00:22, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

By Wikipedia's standards, there's too many pictures, if anything. 5 is the recommended amount for these fair use deals. Paul Haymon 00:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I was getting at, via some apparantly underpowered sarcasm. Same goes for the Knuckles article and probably the rest of the Sonic fandom. MultiJoe 13:01, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd certainly like less noob fodder... --Luigifan 21:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need all of these pics of Rouge? DeathGodDragon EDGE 05:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No Offense MultiJoe but that does sound a little perverted... But it's probably just me. Roxyr 18:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

OMG! MultiJoe's a stalker! DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm gonna take out the Sonic Battle artwork and Alternate costume pics now. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Info

All info beyond her relationship with Knuckles is gone. - The 4th Snake 21:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Back now. - The 4th Snake 15:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

The info about her in Sonic x is gone

[edit] Hey what happened to the article?

Almost everything is gone! Someone vandalised it. Please fix it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.240.253.116 (talk • contribs).

What? Looks fine to me...

Ummm....someone just screwed up the top of the article (where the pic should go). DeathGodDragon EDGE 21:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Never mind; everything seems to be back in order. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:53, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shadow and Rouge's Relationship

Alright...I've been seeing a number of you Knuckles X Rouge fanboys completely erase the section on Shadow and Rouge's relationship. Allow me to be the first to tell you to knock it the hell off. Agreeing with it is one thing, but to completely deny that there is something there is just plain ignorant, especially after what when down in Sonic the Hedgehog.

Just thought that needed to be said. GrandMasterGalvatron 18:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Ouch, but soooo true. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I just whant to say that I am not saying aganst anything but in the games Rouge seams to show more feelings to Shadow than Knuckles (please don't be made)

ive completed Sonic the Hedgehog, but what do you mean by what went down in Sonic the Hedgehog.

[edit] 17 or 18???

Shoudn't the age say 17 or 18. Because an instruction manul does say shes 17 and a website says she 18. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.33.13.30 (talk • contribs).

There's a mini edit-war going on right now over her age. I've seen sources say both, so I don't know. -- RattleMan 18:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Exactly, some sources say 17 and others say 18, so it could be either. You know if we make it say 17 or 18 it could end the mini edit war.

yes lets put the age as 17 or 18-Sonicfan0184

There are a lot of sections on this page about how old Rouge is. I might as well post in this one. Sonic Heroes says that her age is 17. I don't know if I'd trust Sonic Heroes for "Sonic facts", but this is worth considering. Then, there's Sonic X, which says that her age is 18. The page that's given as proof (linked to from this article) is, as far as I can see, copied straight from Sonic X, which has loads of mistakes (if you want to call them that), most of which are on the profile screens. So my point is that Sonic Heroes is probably a more reliable source than Sonic X. I think it should say "17/18" for her age in the box at the top-right of the page (maybe it did in an earlier version of the article), and explain why she has two ages shown in the main text of the article. The only-18 thing puts Sonic X as the main source of Sonic facts, and this isn't right. Also, that part about her being a legal adult (in the trivia section) seems to be an attempt to shove the "fact" about her age being 18 right in everyone's face. -Marth

Okay, it's nice that someone mentioned the Heroes manual in the article (finally), but saying that it's false just seems to show a preference for Sonic X. Now, let's just say that it really was a mistake that her age was shown as 17. What happens with everything else? I mean, Sonic was about 90 cm in Sonic Adventure, but Sonic X (the "official" source) claims that he is 100cm. (Not to mention that I thought he looked closer to 90 cm than 100 even in Sonic X itself, but I haven't proven that yet.) Is Sonic Adventure wrong because it contradicts the show that some seem to think it was based on? If Sonic X "facts" are going to be used in Wikipedia articles, shouldn't it be mentioned that they are from that show? And as I said in the last message, I've seen the site that was given as a source, but it appears to be copied directly, mistakes and all. -Marth

Look some sources say 17 and some say 18, so it could be either, its not really that important, but to stop people arquing i think it should be 17/18. That would be true, because sometimes its 18 and sometimes its 17.

Just leave the age as 17/18. People keep changing it to just 17 or just 18.

SilverandBlazefn 06:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No no NO. The LATEST source is Sonic Channel. That is the OFFICIAL JPN Sonic website operated by SONIC TEAM. They make the games and characters. What they say is what should be on here. They say 18 so that's what it is. It was only 17 ONCE and that was a TYPO. Just like "Hyper Shadow". If it's on Sonic Channel, there are no mistakes about it. Those dudes take care to make sure the data is accurate. They're the ones we're using to confirm "Burning Blaze", that Chaos is a chao and all other stuff. If it's there, it's right :P That's really all that can be saidGrandMasterGalvatron 19:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Does Sonic Channel contradict Sonic X in any way? (As far as I've seen, it doesn't.) Sonic X appears to contradict Sonic Adventure (not to mention that it might contradict itself), so if Sonic Channel directly copies Sonic X, there's a problem. The Sonic X "facts", like any (Archie, for example), were thrown together carelessly, and can't be trusted as the main source. And how do you know Sonic Channel can't have any kind of mistake, when the manuals and games can? Anyway, I think it's fair enough to just use 17/18. That way, both sources are used. Changing it to just 18 is no better than changing it to just 17. -Marth

What in heaven's name does this have to do with Fire Emblem?!?? --Luigifan 12:09, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Sonic Channel doesn't have anything to do with Sonic X. Sonic X just happened to use official data in its JPN version. I'll say it again. SONIC CHANNEL IS WRITTEN DIRECTLY BY SONIC TEAM OF JAPAN. When it comes to the games it will never be wrong. It was Sonic Channel that confirmed that Blaze was a princess, that Chaos was a Chao, that Blaze's transformation is called "Burning Blaze", why Omega was locked in that base (they said it had to do with Shadow long before Sonic 06 came out), and a whole bunch of other data I can't think of at the time. The profiles they have are very much accurate and are in fact being used as official sources for numerous Sonic related articles.

You know what...the hell with it. I'm sick and tired of this. I'm just gonna let you all have your way, and become even more of a laughingstock among Sonic enthusiasts. >>GrandMasterGalvatron 15:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

So Sonic X got the incorrect info from Sonic Team? When did this start? If it was early (like 1998), then why'd they model the characters (in Sonic Adventure) at a smaller size than was stated in their official list of facts? If you really need proof of inconsistency, take a look at Vector. Whether you're playing Sonic Heroes or watching Sonic X, it's obvious that at his tallest (his height changes a little every time he's shown in Sonic X) he's no more than about 1 1/2 times as tall as Espio. According to the "official" source, Espio is 110 cm, and Vector is 180 cm. See something wrong here? I know that this is a little off-topic, but I'm just showing that these "facts" don't work out. Oh, and Luigifan, you were joking, right? I'm using "-Marth" as a kind of signature here, as I don't have an account. I might get one later. I can use "-SAplayer" or something instead, if it's so confusing. -Marth

Actually...that does work out..if you do your conversions right. That puts Vector at approx 2'5" over Espio. That seems fine to me. You'll have to do better than that. Also...I know I said I'd lay off...but I can't. It's just wrong. Doubting the official facts is stupid regardless of your personal opinions. This is a place of verifiable facts, not worthless opinions.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

So your saying a game is wrong and some websites right, you know, Rouge's profile wont have been updated since her first game so it could be a mistake, You cant know for sure. Its like Shadow, His profile says he likes Nothing and his dislike was Mankind. Bit out of date isnt it.

So, going by what you said, 2'5" is half Espio's height, and he is almost 5 feet tall. Yeah... I thought 110 cm was around 3 1/2 feet, and 180 cm was almost 6 feet. Half of 3 1/2 feet is 1 3/4, or 1'9". I must be terrible at math. Also, check this out: http://www.teamartail.com/sonicx/ss.php/59/page3 Look at all the pictures. Especially #146, where he's shown to be almost exactly the same height as Chris, who is 4'6". If that's not enough, I can start getting pictures from the games. But this whole thing is ridiculous. And "verifiable facts, not worthless opinions"? Exactly! Which is why opinions, including the opinion that a source other than the games is right (EVEN THOUGH IT CONTRADICTS THE GAMES), don't belong here. I don't see what's so terrible about mentioning both sources. -Marth

Source other than the games? THEY MAKE THE GAMES! I think they of all people know what's the right data about the characters! This is data from AN OFFICIAL WEBSITE for crying out loud! Sonic Channel is being used as a verifiable source for ALL of the Sonic related pages! This is data straight from the horse's mouth here! I can't believe we're actually having this discussion!GrandMasterGalvatron 15:05, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah really.. I mean it's not like we're talking about GameFAQS or something like that. This is the Official source, the best source you could possibly get. And also, hello, it depends on which Instruction Manual it is. And Rattleman, re: your second post in this section, allow me to correct it: There's a major edit-war going on right now over her age. Fix'd. Knuckles sonic8 16:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

C'mon people, if the guys who made the games say that Rouge is 18, and that's the most recent info, then deal with it. I mean seriously, no one is questioning: a) how Amy went from 8 to 12 in the course of 3/4 games, b) why Charmy is now 6, c) why Knux and Sonic had their ages switched around, and d) why Eggman is (apparently) 28 when he clearly appears to be in his 40's. If no one is questioning that, then why are we questioning this? Rouge is 18. Period. ChromeWulf ZX 01:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It is quite normal for a video game manufacturer to tweak their fictional characters slightly between games. What Rouge was in 2003 is completely different to the Rouge of 2007. This is known as character development, which is a good thing because it prevents the franchise from stagnating. Sonic's article doesn't say that he has no friends because he was solo in in 1991. We use the most recent information. Please do the same: state her age, cite the most compelling source, and let the facts speak for themselves. --DavidHOzAu 11:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Maybe they really did change it. I had considered that right from the beginning. But that doesn't explain why Sonic X (from 2003) matches this, nor does it fix other obvious problems with characters' height, which should also be corrected. (In the case of height, it can actually be seen and proven easily, and a change between two games will be quite obvious.) Also, it sounds as if GrandMasterGalvatron is claiming that Sonic Channel's info is true above the games. If it said something that disagreed with a game, it would be right, and the game would have a "mistake". -Marth

I think the point Galvatron is trying to make is, that Rouge's age has been retconned since Sonic Heroes. They made a mistake when listing her age in the game. Seriously, though, I don't know why this is worth an edit war. --Luigifan 12:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

"Also, it sounds as if GrandMasterGalvatron is claiming that Sonic Channel's info is true above the games. If it said something that disagreed with a game, it would be right, and the game would have a "mistake". -Marth"

But that's never gonna happen :P Sonic Team of Japan as a track record for always having the proper info and rightfully so. They make the games after all ;)GrandMasterGalvatron 22:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... did you even read my entire post? Again, this is a little off-topic, but some characters' heights are all wrong, and Vector is a good example. He's noticeably shorter than Sonic Channel says he is... in Sonic Heroes AND Sonic X. So there's your example of Sonic Channel not always agreeing with the games. Another thing I said recently was that this Sonic Channel info hasn't changed. It was in Sonic X in early 2003 (and according to GrandMasterGalvatron, it existed sometime before then). I don't see how an official website is any more official than an official instruction manual, and especially how this website can be more official than the games themselves. I don't care if the creators made the site. They made it not match the games. THE SITE IS NOT A SONIC GAME! This is stupidly obvious, but it doesn't seem like people are getting this. What's next? Will Sonic Channel post Sonic stories such as the story of Sonic Adventure? They could say Sonic fought Chaos 4 on what could be called "Windy Mountain" (I'm not saying they did, though- this is just Sonic X), and would that mean that the game had a mistake over 8 years ago by including Windy Valley and having the battle in the Mystic Ruins pond? -Marth

It sounds like you have a personal issue with Sonic Channel. Well, keep that to yourself. The bottom line still remains that it's official data, straight from the creators and is universally accepted as the final word in Sonic related things. It's the closest thing to asking Sonic Team directly. If they say Vector's over 2 feet taller than Espio, then that's what it is. Animation scale is always wrong anyway (Transformers anyone?). If they say Blaze turns into Burning Blaze, then that's what it is. If they say Rouge the Bat is eighteen years old, then she's eighteen years old! Sonic Team has already made clarifications on SA's storyline in their JPN strategy guide for the game. Sonic X can use all the official character profiles it wants, but it's still it's own canon. Sonic Channel does match the games and that's quite easy to see. Your example on Vector is null because you don't have an in-game measuring stick. I don't know what else can be said here other than read this.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a personal issue with it. I just saw these "facts" which didn't match the games, and I was told that the source was Sonic Channel. About Vector's height, if you really need me to provide a picture of the GAME (meaning, of course, 3-D graphics, which, if scaled properly once, will stay like that), showing Vector standing beside Espio, then fine. I can do that when I get around to it. (And I can include their heights in pixels, to give you a comparison, if you must have it.) But I shouldn't have to, as it is already extremely obvious if you just play the game yourself. I don't see why you have to keep your eyes closed to anything other than Sonic Channel. Which one do you think is the game? The game itself, or a website by the creators? "Clarifications" on SA? I haven't seen this, but are you saying that it does contradict (or "clarify", as you said) SA? -Marth

Look homes, I don't know what trip you're on, but there is NOTHING on Sonic Channel that contradicts the games AT ALL. If you notice, it was Sonic Channel who told use that Omega was sealed in the base to guard Shadow and this was WAY before Sonic 06 came out. Don't twist my words mate. It COMPLIMENTS Sonic Adventure by explaining things that weren't spelled out. Mostly the history of the Echidna's which Chaos's profile did further. You can never win that fight on Vector and Espio because you don't have an in game ruler. You can count all the pixels you want, it doesn't mean a thing. BTW, no game has said anything on Rouge's age. The US instruction manuals are prone to mistakes. Look at the whole "Queen Blaze" hoopla, and Charmy's retconned age. I don't see you complaining about that. Sonic X used official data. Good for it, but that doesn't make the data any less official.
Seriously man, this argument is about the equivalent of you trying to argue that Sonic is red. You're actually trying to deny data FROM THE MAKERS OF THE GAMES just because it wasn't spelled out in the games? How retarded is that?
Anywho, consensus among all other Sonic editors here on Wikipedia is that Sonic Channel is indeed a valid source. If they clarify things that were fuzzy in the games, then it's just as good as it being in the game itself. If you don't like it, that's too bad, but you've just gotta deal with it.
As far as this article goes. Rouge the Bat is 18 years old. The Sonic Heroes US manual has a typo that says 17. No big deal, the "7" key is right next to the "8" key on both pads. The strategy guide copied that data and it has said mistake. Let's keep in mind that is also calls Super Sonic "Gold Sonic". Super Sonic hasn't been referred to by name since Sonic Adventure. Are you gonna try and say he's called Gold Sonic now?GrandMasterGalvatron 16:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah you keep saying we ve got a personal problem with Sonic Channel, if u ask me i think its that you have a personal probelem with the games. If there was a personal problem with Sonic Channel then we would of put 17. But 17/18 dosnt have a personal problem with Sonic channel because its 17/18.

But the games didn't say she was 17 now did they? It's not mentioned anywhere in game...just in the manual, and it was a TYPO! I don't know how many times I've got to say it! There are TWO sources versus your ONE which has been proven incorrect. The most that should be done is a mention in the trivia section that the manual goofed. Rouge is not 17 AT ALL. Also, stop deleting the link to Sonic Channel. That's outright vandalism and it's throwing off the article.GrandMasterGalvatron 16:48, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I dont keep deleting that, and the manual is part of the game anyways, u just dont like it that i used your own insult against you, LOL.

No it's not. It's a guide to how to play the game. Look, there's only ONE source that says 17 and Sonic Team of Japan has specifically said otherwise. You're just gonna have to deal with it.GrandMasterGalvatron 17:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I've been asked by GrandMasterGalvatron for my opinion on the matter. Sonic Channel is indeed an official source, despite what you might say. -Sukecchi 18:13, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

- The games don't say Rouge's age, but I just want both sources to be mentioned. I'm not trying to remove the 18 part or anything. (Notice that I always change it to "17/18".)What I'm saying is that the games are the #1 source, that Sonic Channel doesn't always line up with the games (meaning that it, while an official source, is not the first source to turn to), and that the instruction manuals are still worth considering. What's so hard about that? -"Consensus" isn't always right. I've seen a lot of Sonic-related things on Wikipedia and/or around the internet that are popular opinions, but are untrue. One is that Sonic Adventure was the first game in the US to use the name "Eggman". (Sonic 2 and Sonic Drift 2 used it. I corrected the SA article already.) Another is that Sonic Adventure for Dreamcast uses shine-free character models and doesn't have framerate drops. I've tried to fix some of these things already. -Are you blind, or have you not played Sonic Heroes? The camera can be placed close to the ground, and this allows the characters to be compared (not measured in feet, inches, and centimeters, but comparison is all I need to prove that Espio's and Vector's heights don't match up the same way as on Sonic Channel). -You said earlier that the Sonic Team facts on Sonic Channel existed years ago, and were before Sonic X. Now you're (this is directed at anyone who believes this, not just GrandMasterGalvatron) saying that the age was changed sometime after Sonic Heroes. Which one is it? -Marth

Um about wat u said you ll have to deal with it i am dealing with it. Im not saying shes 17 im saying that it could be either wat do think 17/18 means, or maybe you just can't read. No one can be 100% sure, if you are really are so desparate to just have one age on it, im sure theres a way you could contact Sonic Team or wateva.

You can never prove that about Espio and Vector. That distance just may be the in-game equivalent of the heights on Sonic Channel. Why are you arguing with what Sonic Team says? If they say it, then that's what it is no matter how much you like it or not. (and for the record, I have the in game models on hand. I can do a size comparison anytime I feel like it.) The timeline goes like this: Sonic X > Sonic Heroes > Sonic Channel. Sonic X had already stated Rouge was 18. The Heroes manual copied the age data from the show but made a typo in Rouge's age. Sonic Channel started posting profiles about 2 years later and in addition to using all the aforementioned data (Which was theirs to begin with), they listed Rouge's age as 18. That there is the latest source and is the correct one. You can be 110% sure, Rouge the Bat is slaggin' 18 years old. Sonic Team themselves have said so. Sonic Channel is their website. You can trust the data on there. If you notice, there is a note in the trivia section that mentions Heroes's blunder. However, you deleted it. Now that's on you. Yes, these articles are prone to incorrect data. Let's use the right data for this one m'kay?GrandMasterGalvatron 14:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Wait, wat has Vector and Espio got to do with this anyway. And by the way, the triva thing, u wrote that didnt u just trying to shove the fact as u call it down our thorts. Ill put the age as 18 since sonic channel says so but im changing the trivia.

Many fans? It's only you two geniuses! Just accept what Sonic Team said and get over it! GrandMasterGalvatron 16:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you by any chance a poof

-"In-game equivalent"? What's that supposed to mean? If Vector is, say, 45% taller than Espio in the game, and Sonic Channel says he's 65% taller (not exact numbers, but the idea is there), then how can you argue that they match? Give me a good picture of Heroes, if you're so sure. It doesn't matter if I can't measure them. I can still see that their size in comparison to each other doesn't work out. If I can't prove it (to you), it's only because you're refusing to just look at the stupid models and see this obvious fact. -I know about what you said in the timeline. But where did the info come from? If that timeline is complete, it was from Sonic X. But you said earlier that it was made earlier by Sonic Team. Also, how do you know it's the manual that's wrong? You could have used the argument that everything but Heroes matches up with the age 18, but you killed that chance by stating that the strategy guide also has the age 17. And, here's my main point. Please read it this time. THE GAME, AND ONLY THE GAME, IS ACTUALLY THE GAME. MANUALS AND WEBSITES, OFFICIAL OR NOT, MAY OR MAY NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY WITH IT. Maybe there is a typo or similar mistake in the Heroes manual. It's certainly believable. But you're worshipping Sonic Channel and saying that it always lines up with the games just because it's made by the creators. Inconsistencies come up often, even by the creators themselves (in other cases, not just Sonic games). There may not be proof in the game itself of Rouge's age (although there is proof of Vector's height), but the point is that sources besides the game, official or not, should be used carefully. -I agree with whoever that is about the dumb trivia "fact". It's like what I said about the "legal adult" thing. -Marth

Look mate, I don't know how much clearer I can make this. Listen to your argument! It's fine except for the arguing with official sources. Official, meaning made or endorsed by the same people who make the games. Taking data from Sonic Channel is just as good as finding it in the game. You can never win this argument. Wikipediia is about verifiability. Whatever you're saying about Vector and Espio not only can't be verified, but is original research and that's NOT allowed. The fact remains that official data has been given, and it can be verified. To not use it, and instead cite fanmade thoughts is just plain stupidity. This isn't like the Super Knuckles in Heroes debate, where nothing was expressly spelled out. Sonic Team has explicitly stated how old Rouge is, and how tall Vector and Espio are. As a website documenting official data, this is what we have to use, like it or not. The game never said a thing about Rouge's age or the heights of the two in question. You can make all the speculation that you want, but it's just that: speculation, and you can't use it here. Sonic Team of Japan has a track record of never being wrong. It's not likely they're gonna screw up now. You might as well attempt to erase all of the links to Sonic Channel here with thoughts like those (you will be tagged as a vandal if you do).

The bottom line is the exact same people that program the games have explicitly told us what's what. That's just as good as it being in the game, no matter what you think.

Shit, the Sonic CD manual said the pink hedgehog was Princess Sally. Are you gonna go edit Amy's article now?GrandMasterGalvatron 21:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I never said that the instruction manual is THE source. I said that the GAME is. The manual, however, is an official source, and can be considered, just like the website. And now, you're telling me that the game never says anything. No, it doesn't SAY, but it SHOWS how tall characters are. And if I bring in a picture, there's the proof to verify the fact. Speculation, original research, thoughts? I'm talking about the game itself. Is that so hard to understand? Stop dodging that part by simply stating that Sonic Channel is always right and go play the game. And provide a picture to prove that I'm wrong. (I plan to provide a picture myself sometime, but it's inconvenient.) About the Sonic CD manual, I knew you were going to say something about it eventually. So? It just proves that the manuals aren't always right. But I already showed you that Sonic Channel isn't always right. Same thing. -Marth

Actually, you've failed to show me that Sonic Channel isn't always right. Your example fails in numerous ways and you just refuse to accept it. You can bring in all the screenshots you want, it still won't prove your point. What you think of the difference between their heights doesn't matter. If Sonic team says it's 70 cm, then it's 70 cm! Whether is matches real cm doesn't mean slag! There could very well be some Mobian mertic system in use or something, we just don't know. Besides, animation scale has a history for NEVER being right! Look at Transformers! No matter what the show says, Scourge, Crumplezone, Ransack, and Thunderblast can NOT fit on Thundercraker's back in jet mode without some MASSIVE size distortion...he's way too small. Yet it happened on the show because it was convenient for the animators. Try though as you might, you can't possibly argue with this data and post it here. That's your own fanmade speculation. Take your concerns about that elsewhere.We have a verifiable source for these FACTS and you've just gotta DEAL WITH IT.

As far as this article goes, Rouge the bat is 18 years old. PERIOD. She's NOT 17 because freakin SONIC TEAM SAID SO. Get over it.GrandMasterGalvatron 02:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see quite the issue here. Let's lay down some facts.

• Before Sonic Heroes, Rouge was 18, or so said the people who own the rights to Rouge and make the games
• In Sonic Heroes' booklet, it says she's 17, this booklet was written by a translator
• After the booklet, she's now always listed as 18, especially on Sonic Channel, which was also made by the people who own the rights to Rouge and make the games

You guys are arguing over something not only COMPLETELY trivial, but you're also arguing that a japanese man who took english 101 is more trustworthy than the people who make the video games, have their own website, and thought of and own Rouge's character. Thus, your arguement is now this: Who's right?

• In this corner, SONIC FRICKEN TEAM
• In the other corner, COKE SNIFFING TRANSLATOR

CATFIGHT! -Chao9999 02:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

LMAO! Way to spin it man, that's exactly what's going on here! XD Anywho, since you wanted it so bad Marth, here's your image. A quick run though of the menu screen shows that the models are horribly out of proportion for convenience's sake. Sonic's taller than Knuckles, and anyone and everyone who's a longtime Sonic fan KNOWS that that's terribly incorrect. It also appears that Shadow's the same height as Omega which is wrong no matter how you spin it. It looks like Eggman would probably be taller than them all which is just wrong no matter how you spin it (he should be well under Big). If you want properly scaled models, play the Adventure games, or even Sonic 06, or hell, scale em yourself. Anywho, if you try to edit the data with your own fan crap, it's gonna be reverted on the spot. There's nothing left to say here other than you two are being quite stupid (in the true definition of the word) for refusing to accept the feed from the horse's mouth just because they didn't put it in the spoon for you. Sonic Team's right, animation scale's always wrong (Megatron size change anomaly much?) and they all lived happily ever after. GrandMasterGalvatron 03:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

- Because, of course, Heroes has tons of translation errors, plus Japanese people don't know how to use our counting system. - Mobian metric system??? Even if that's what it was, the characters' heights would stay the same in relation to each other. That's like saying that Vector is taller compared to Espio if you use inches instead of centimeters. - Animation scale? This isn't hand-drawn animation we're talking about. These are 3-D models, which never get distorted or change size like regular cartoons do. If 3-D models can have errors like this, then why even put stupid facts about a fictional character's height and weight? And if Sonic has stuff like this, why not add it to the Archie articles? They occasionally mention how tall or heavy a character is, although it's never the same number twice, and it's usually obvious that little thought was put into those facts... sort of like some of the numbers in this case. - I said right near the beginning of the discussion that I wouldn't put Heroes as the #1 source (that would probably go to the Adventure games). You, however, seemed to trust it completely (with the exception of the manual), only until you got the picture of Vector and Espio. Then, you decided that it wasn't a valid source anymore. But if you insist on going by SA, I can get you some pictures that show where I got the idea that Sonic is 90 cm instead of 100. http://www.geocities.com/zeldaadungeon2000/SAheightcompare.JPG In the first part, you see Sonic standing beside a probably average-sized man. You should be able to see that something doesn't work out. If not, then continue. Next, I have two Sonics stacked. The first simply stacks his image, and is incorrect, as the camera isn't exactly on the ground, and so the second Sonic is actually floating a bit. The second is more realistic. But oh no! The two Sonics (2 meters) add up to about the same height as that guy! So he must be 2 meters instead of an already-generous 1.8 meters, which I would expect. It's kind of strange, though, that all of the men in Station Square (excluding the short fatties) would be 2 meters, or over 6 1/2 feet, especially when you consider that all the women are around the same height. And there's another picture at the right of the one I linked to, showing Sonic standing beside a woman. Less-accurate, but you can get the idea. Now what? Are you going to say that SA is also inaccurate? -Marth

The bots and cons in Cybertron are rendered in 3D. I certainly didn't recall any akwardness in sizes from Vector and Espio, at least going by the CGs (I think that menu is off scale anyway). For the umpteenth time: KEEP YOUR SPECULATION OFF OF WIKIPEDIA! No one cares that you don't agree with that SONIC TEAM has stated. If you post any of that crap, I and everyone else will delete it on the spot. This isn't the place for your un-cited fan ideas. Go to a forum and post all that (but you will be laughed at). Stop being an idiot and just accept what Sonic Team has said because those are the facts from the game makers. Chao's right, this discussion is totally pointless because there are already hard citations for the data at hand and that manual has been proven wrong. Just accept it and get over it already! GrandMasterGalvatron 18:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't remember Vector being almost 6 feet tall in the CG videos or in gameplay. But anyway, you said Sonic Heroes isn't a reliable source, and Sonic Adventure is. So, instead of ignoring my post out of embarrassment, can you take a look at the picture? You can see very easily that it proves what Sonic's height is, and that this obviously isn't fan speculation, an un-cited idea, or whatever name you want to give it. Youre fighting the #1 official source now. Here's the really dumb thing: I'm tolerating Sonic Channel stuff, and I'd let it stay on Wikipedia, along with the info out of the games, but you can't have any of that. No, you have to eliminate any fan speculation, because its only proof is some unofficial losers called SONIC TEAM. Pointless discussion? Absolutely. Bringing it to a forum? Maybe I should. Oh, and yeah, call me an idiot if you want. Be childish and attack the other editor who disagrees with you. -Marth

What part of 3D scale is never right didn't you get? The programmers didn't give a slag about proportions, I know I certainly wouldn't. That's why they've given use these hard facts so we have something to go by. As far as I'm concerned, this debate is over. You're being stubborn and stupid. Change the data and it's gonna get reverted. I've damn near spelled out everything I possibly could.GrandMasterGalvatron 01:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"If you want properly scaled models, play the Adventure games." Yes, you said that. Now that I prove that the models don't match Sonic Channel (never mind which one is right, for now), you change your mind and say that SA is also scaled improperly. So really, you're saying that the games don't actually have any facts, and that Sonic Channel is the only source that can be right. By that reasoning, our only way of knowing Jughead's height and weight is by reading what's said in the comics. He's 121 lbs, according to this. No, wait, he's 145. No, wait. I'm being stubborn because I'm going by the games. If I was unsure and didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't have gotten into any of this. But I have studied the in-game models. If that's not good enough for you, don't write about the games. Put Sonic Channel stuff in a separate canon and write about that. -Marth

That's only because you bought up the worthless humans when i was only talking about the character models (Gamma's huge!). Also, that last line speaks loads about your argument! XDGrandMasterGalvatron 05:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Hm? Did I miss something? First, are you admitting that you did just change your mind? If you did, then you should be more sure of something before you say it. (Also, what's that about Gamma? Which one makes him look huge? I thought he was smaller in the game than in the show.) Second, what's that about the last line? Yeah, since you claim that the games are wrong about the games, there's no point in having facts like this, or at least when they're not in the Sonic X and Sonic Channel canon or whatever. Is something so funny about that? You are aware that Sonic is a VIDEO GAME character, and non-game stuff is based on the games. It's not the other way around, like some people seem to think. -Marth

How do u know it was falsey lited as 17 , u dont, so ive changed. I dont know why we need that trivia, we've decided to put it as 18, because it was oblivlously just there to try to shove it down our thoarts that shes supposadly 18.

Would you mind typing that in coherent English?GrandMasterGalvatron 00:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Is this over? Please tell me that we've stopped arguing over trivial crap like Rouge's age. ChromeWulf ZX 02:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd say the argument was really about Sonic Channel's validity as a source for data....I can't believe I wasted all that time trying to defend an official website XD. As soon as he said "put Sonic Channel stuff in a separate canon" was when it hit home what I was dealing with. I'm about to retool the hell out of this article anyway so it really doesn't matter. XDDGrandMasterGalvatron 02:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Nobody said Sonic channel was wrong though, did they, what did u fink 17/18 actully meant. saying 17 would be saying that sonic channel was wrong, anyway who actully cares.

I took that trivia thing off, its not worth mentioning in the first place, i think we should leave Rouge's Age alone now.

Right, it was about Sonic Channel's validity. I'm sorry for throwing off the whole discussion into off-topic-ness, but I wanted to show that there was something that didn't match up, and that Sonic Channel, a website, wasn't necessarily the #1 source for game info. This really applies to all the pages, but I just ended up discussing it here. I think that the age 17 should be mentioned. Just present the facts (that it's 18 on Sonic Channel, 17 in the Sonic Heroes manual) and don't worry about which one's right. If it's clear enough, the reader can decide which is right. (A little question: although it wouldn't have affected the games vs. website argument, why didn't anyone really mention the Japanese manual for Heroes? Does it say 18? If it does, that would probably prove that the English one has a typo. But like I said, it wouldn't make Sonic Channel the top source above the games for info.) About character's height, I don't know exactly what to do. If I can accurately compare the models, maybe I can get numbers to add to the articles (to go along with the existing ones, of course). Or, I could just mention something like, "According to the official website, Sonic Channel, Sonic is 1 meter in height. However, he appears to be slightly shorter in (Sonic Adventure or whatever)." Really, it is all unimportant, but I just wanted other sources (such as the games, the most important source when it comes to game characters) to be mentioned. Bleah, there went another huge post. I hope I didn't miss anything, and that this won't start up the arguing again. -Marth

I got to make a funny ^_^! -Chao9999 05:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, i wont delte the trivia thing.

So, GrandMasterGalvatron, you said just that the manual was wrong in that last edit. Which manual? Is the Sonic Heroes manual really "wrong", or is it just the translation? I'd like to know which age is shown in the Japanese manual. It should clear this up. -Marth

[edit] Knuxouge and Shadouge dudes

Fans of these couplings, listen up. It's been said in official stuff that she likes Knux, and although she has shown interest in Shadow, it's never been stated. I know and accept that the two are close, but I don't believe that she feels that way about him. Yeah, I support Knuxouge, but I'm going by the facts, and they just so happen to agree with me.71.209.183.185 00:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)anon

Shadow and Rouge are closer than Knux and Rouge now, not to put ya down but it's true here's how:

1. Rouge is often very protective of Shadow
2. Rouge is always stating she's better than Knux

there's more but never mind SilverandBlazefn 23:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)SilverandBlazefan

Until the games show an actual romantic relationship developing, then we can't say that she will end up with either of them; it is true that an official profile of Rouge stated she was interested in Knuckles, and hinted at in SA2, but later games show her kindness to Shadow. It's possible she had an eye for Knuckles originally, but is now interested in Shadow; but that's speculation at best or fan cruft at worst, and doesn't belong in the article. At this point, we can't say that she's involved in any serious way with either of them, and it's especially wrong to erase chunks of the article to hide evidence either way (I'm looking at some of the rabid Knuxouge fans out there.) -- VederJuda 02:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry....but I still think Rouge DOES like Shadow..since it Does hint it many times!SilverandBlazefn 06:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Two words: SPECULATION and FAN CRUFT. We're not here to argue over who Rouge is going to totally fall in love with or whether the other has feelings in return. As an online encyclopedia, this article is supposed to state the facts based from a neutral standpoint. If you want to go couple-shipping, that's what fan-made websites are for. Kurazelu 01:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

If you ask me..it's perfectly possible the Knux X Rouge idea is being phased out for Shadow X Rouge. The games since SA2 are certainly pointing that way...especially Sonic '06. Also, it HAS been officially stated she has feelings for Shadow kthnx :PGrandMasterGalvatron 19:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How can you say they've been pointing that way since SA2, BECAUSE THE WHOLE KNUX/ROUGE THING STARTED IN SA2. (And, if you wouldn't mind, tell me where it's been officially stated? ...kthnx.)

When I say since SA2, I mean afterwards. The whole Knuckles/Rouge thing has become a rivalry at most. It's at the point where there's only one line of dialogue between the two each game, which Shadow and Rouge have way more. In fact, the latter two are just about always together. BTW Rouge's profile in the Sonic 06 strategy guide states that she has feeling for both Knuckles AND Shadow. I have yet to see anything since that officially disproving it so it's good for now. (I generally go by the latest statement from either side of the planet).

As for what's most encyclopedic mention the situations with Knuckles and Shadow in a neutral light, and let the reader decide.GrandMasterGalvatron 17:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I know where you're coming from, but I have done some e-search, and most offical stuff DOES say Rouge likes Shadow. I mean, I was a Knuxouge... until I saw a clip from '06.SilverandBlazefn 00:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Wiki is a place of encyclopediac research and info, not speculation! So, can we drop the subject before fans start a flame war? ChromeWulf ZX 03:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it's already happening....:(--Blaze4Sonic&Sonic4Blaze 18:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

IT HAS BEEN STATED ON sonic CENTRAL AND IN Rouge'S SECTION ON THE 4KIDS WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, don't go deleting stuff other people wrote on the talk page, unless it is utter garbage that is unrelated to the article, that vandalism. -- VederJuda 01:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, GMG, when you mentioned the 2k6 strategy guide, it wasn't made by PRIMA was it? If it was, don't even listen to it. They started the Hyper Shadow nonsense, not to mention in their Sonic Advance 2 guide they constantly refer to Amy as Sonic's girlfriend, and practically state that he loves her. Besides that, Knuckles/Rouge seems pretty far off, but Shadow/Rouge seems even more, I mean, Shadow and Rouge act more like brother and sister than secret lovers. What if, by some strange coincidence, Rouge *ZOMGZ* LIKES KNUCKLES? Seriously, no official canon has stated it, but in her first appearance it was immediately announced that she has a crsuh on Knuckles. It was the same with Amy back in Sonic CD. Sonic Team doesn't seem to... competent in love relationships, or mysteriousness. Let's just put it like this: Rouge has a crush on Knuckles, but it is unknown if he returns the feelings, as he seems much more set on getting angry at her than loving, and when he isn't seen angry at her, he usually appears to have a very large dislike for her, having only some moments of softness, which are usually quite short lived. In one song attributed to him, "Wild Canyon (or whatever)", the lyrics "yeah Rouge, she's sexy and smooth" play, at first hinting a possible attraction, but lyrics are later played including calling her a "snitch", and a "double cross spy theif out for my jewels", with one of the more meaningful ones being "give up the emeralds or die, I don't love you", however, as these are merely song lyrics, and not actually stated, it is unknown if they are credible. As any possible relationship has yet to be elaborated upon, it is unknown as to whether or not one exists in the first place.

Rouge also has a strong relationship with Shadow the Hedgehog, but it is unknown as to whether or not either of them are actually interested. In many appearances together, they have acted as trusting partners, sometimes similar to siblings. There has been no official information to confirm a loving relationship, and apart from what some could consider possibly playful flirting, there hasn't actually been much to suggest a possible attraction, and as such, it is unknown if there is an actual love relationship, or if they're simply great friends.

How's that? -Chao9999 07:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Now that there is the ultimate truth as we cannot read the characters' minds. That's acceptable for this page. However, I have my own opinions about Shadow and Rouge which you can find anywhere else I am XDGrandMasterGalvatron 18:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, stating the same thing somebody else did before: THIS IS AN ENCYCLOPEDY THAT SHOULD CONTAIN NEUTRAL CONTENT SO BE TOTALLY OBJECTIVE and stop shouting out "this pairing's da best!" you brats. I'm not into knuxouge, but OKAY I agree it was stated that Rouge has a crush on Knux and she could keep it on, but you should also note how she treats Shadow (she cares about him A LOT) so it's really not clear whom she likes/loves more. Now shut up. Yay. 83.31.77.254 17:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VANDALISM ALERT

SOMEONE KEEPS DELETING THE LINKS FROM RELATIONSHIPS! I JUST WANNA LET HIM KNOW THAT HE WILL BE BANNED FROM EVEN READING THE SITE!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tommy55 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC).

Oh really? Try me. I'm the one deleting those lists because there is a rule against them kthnxGrandMasterGalvatron 16:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

What rule? There is nothing wrong with the relationships section. It's fine. --Coconutfred73 21:04, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The relationships section got nuked because its not relevant to anyone other than shippers. Also, there were just lists of characters that have interacted with Rouge, and as the deletion of the Cards in Sonic rivals article shows, lists of data aren't allowed here.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ENOUGH!!!

Whoever keeps posting the "Vote please!" section stop! The Relationships section is gone! Get over it! --Coconutfred73 19:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

You may not like it, but he has the right to add it. The talk page guidelines say that you can only delete part of talk pages if they are off topic, illegal, or personal attacks. So you are not allowed to remove it, and you should instead explain why they are wrong. Gurko 02:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

No he doesn't! The dang section has been deleted and he can't do anything about it! --Coconutfred73 03:00, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Now, I restored it at first because I thought you were he and he kept deleting because he didn't like it. That's a case where the data had to be kept. Now it's a simple case of you, a third party deciding that the talk should go because it's been settled. A noble thought, but the user in question hasn't given up yet. It would help if you had left some summaries so I didn't assume that you were the person. Anywho, as long as he gets the point I suppose it can go. Let's all just keep and eye on him. He's prone to removing things about Shadow and Rouge in favor of promoting Knuckles and Rouge...in other words, a deliberate violation of NPOV.GrandMasterGalvatron 03:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you gurko, it was nice from you! But yeah, grandthingy, i didn't give up, and I won't. Stop playing the big boss and shut up already!

No. You shut the fuck up and get the fuck out since you've shown that your only intent here is to vandalize articles by blanking content and spreading misinformation. I've told you time and time again, along with countless others that you can't continue to do what you've been doing. You're promoting your own personal views which I frankly don't give a shit about. Take your crap off here and start your own little Knuckles/Rouge blog. Your vandalism will not be tolerated.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

BTW, apologies to the rest of you for being so harsh, but I have no patience for vandals, >_>GrandMasterGalvatron 16:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does Rouge have a family??

Does she have a family? 207.74.196.20 14:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes. But nothing's been said about them.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:38, 29 March 2007 (UTC)