User talk:Rotten Stone/WikiProject Trucks

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Contents 1 Light trucks 2 Superheavy trucks 3 Layout and structure 3.1 Infobox 3.2 Truck manufacturer 3.3 Truck model 4 Trailers and construction for different transport types 5 Article test / test article

[edit] Light trucks

Should the project include light trucks? To me, it looks like pickup trucks are already covered by Project Automobiles, but on the other hand there are a lot of other types of light trucks that won't fit under automobiles. Rotten Stone 15:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

In Denmark (and most of Europe, I assume) anything legally exceeding 3500 kg total weight is a truck, but maybe it should be a job only getting attention when those over ?? 6 tonnes ?? 7,5 tonnes ?? are looking like a real systematic setup? Some degree of crosslinking might be OK to begin with, like "for XX models, please see XXautomobile article" or something? G®iffen 17:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we need to be too rigid. The project is going to be a support resource to editors. Sometimes people ask questions at Project Autos and are told "sorry we can't help". This doesn't do any harm. If similar questions are asked here, we'll either be able to help, or not. I suspect the 3500kg point will in practice be pretty useful, but there are some anomalies out there (very light weight box vans or very heavy 4x4 off-roaders) and we'll have some vehicles whose ranges overlap. Perhaps "is it based on a car?" is a more useful test. – Kieran T ^(talk) 17:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Note: The Iveco Turbo Daily comes in a 3,5 and a 4,6? Tonne version. The difference, I was told, is one extra layer of suspension springs.

Yeah, a lot of trucks have a basic chassis which supports lots of weights. 2.5 to 4.5 tonnes is not unusual, and I'd certainly want to support the lighter ones if they were true commercial vehicles. The debatable one for me are those which are just people-carriers or Land Rovers with the back windows blanked out. (Though I'd still tend to want to support those, on balance.) – Kieran T ^(talk) 18:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

OK. Generally speaking light trucks are in, but we focus on commercial vehicles? Rotten Stone 21:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd say so; I think it's how most people understand the term. – Kieran T ^(talk) 21:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Superheavy trucks

How much attention should supersized, superheavy off-the-roads trucks have to begin with? G®iffen 17:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Layout and structure

I think it would be a good thing if we could write down some guidelines about what a decent article about a truck model or a truck manufacturer should look like. I'm just talking about some simple suggestions about what kind of information an article should include and how that information should be presented. Rotten Stone 19:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

In my opinion template:Infobox Company should be used at company articles. Template:Infobox Automobile is not good enough for trucks, since fuel capacity, and measures vary from one vehicle to another. The box should also have a line for submodels, like Volvo FH has FH12 and FH16. G®iffen 14:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds OK to me. Infobox Company is good. But as you say, Infobox Automobile have to be modified. I think we also should add things like; type of cab, drivetrain, axles, brakes and so on. Rotten Stone 21:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Should suspension be at its own line? Or does it go with axles? G®iffen 16:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Does there have to be such things as drivetrain, suspension etc. on the in truck infobox? I'd say that they are in more appropriate place in the article covering that model as there is such vast amount of different chassis configurations for example that infobox would grow quite huge. It would also be very difficult to make it complete. In article Scania 4-series for example there would be at least 9 different cab options alone which sound way too much for an infobox. Tepoo 18:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with idea of giving some clue about different submodels like FH12 and FH16 on infoboxes, what about different revisions all sharing same name? I mean that as there in practice is three different series all carrying name Volvo FH should they be all be covered in same infobox or in three separate box in same article. Personally I'd prefer the latter. Tepoo 18:43, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Truck manufacturer

Here are my thoughts:

• Short presentation
  (Name, Country, Owner, Size, Types of products, Fate)
• History
  (Founded where and when by whom)
  (General development with merges and splits)
  (Milestone innovations and products)
• Present models
  (List of models or families of models)
• Historical models
  (List of models or families of models, decade by decade)
• Subsidiaries
  (List of major subsidiaries including type of products)
• Main production facilities
  (Location, Size, Type of products)

Comments? Rotten Stone 19:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to be sure: "present models" I assume to be models still on sale from the factory?

"Subsidiaries" might be "Subsidiaries and joint ventures"? Like the former MAN AG / Volkswagen joint venture in Europe and the existing Scania / Hino in Asia. I think it fits beter here than under "Production facilities" G®iffen 10:33, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree! Rotten Stone 21:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Truck model

How about this?

• Short presentation
  (Type, Segment, Year of introduction)
• History
  (Development, Designed to meet what demand, Introduction)
• Engine and powertrain
• Usage
  (Who used it, How was it used)
• Production
  (When, Where, How many)

Rotten Stone 19:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments:

Much of the presentation could/would probably be included in an infobox in the side. My thoughts are that an intro should not be much more than XX47 was built by XX-Thai from 1967-1971 to meet the demands for medium weight trucks in Thailand. I hope this measurement is similar to yours?
I'm not good at creating infoboxes, but would anyone like to give a suggestion?
As Rotten and I discussed at my talk page#Trucks, I like the setup of Morris Motor Company and Morris Minor and would like to set those as what I call "basic minimum" for the design of the articles for producers and models. I agree that some headlines must be changed and extra added, but personally I'd say "it's not finished before it meets at least this standard". So far I haven't searched the truck models to see if any are described in a similar way to serve as better examples. G®iffen 10:51, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trailers and construction for different transport types

At different takls of trailers, semi's, dollys etc. there are ongoing discussions about where to write what and how to redirect and so on. Would this also be included in this project? I assume most trailers are pulled by trucks or buses anyway... Also, trailers are built mostly the same way as trucks, so for a project branch about "how to build a truck", trucks and trailers would probably be similar. G®iffen 10:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can see, we should be able to squeeze trailers, semi-trailers and such into the project. Rotten Stone 21:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article test / test article

I've created Scania 4-series to see how right or wrong I am compared to your ideas. Since there is not yet an infobox for models, I didn't put any in the article. It's still a stub due to my lack of knowledge, but I thought maybe we should set this up as the "example to follow"? Let me hera your opinions... --G®iffen 17:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I made few additions to that article and as comments were asked I'll put some points here which I think should be covered in lorry articles.

• There should be year of introduction and for consistency also year when production stopped unless still in production.
• I'd think predecessor and successor should be mentioned somewhere in article definition until we see what will be on infoboxes.
• Some kind of "What's new" section could be nice although not under that name. In this particular article some valid points would be totally renewed exterior cab design and bringing high cab (Topline) into production when comparing to 3-series.
• Some basic info about different choices available. In engines and cabs for example there could be mentions about engine development, like increasing displacement volume of V8-engine by two litres, and three different basic cab types (P, R and T cabs).

I think that it's also important to prevent article from becoming just an list where every different engine choice is only mentioned without any smooth connection to other text in article. Example of this kind of article could be Volvo where are long listings of achievements and models but there's very little text keeping it all together. Tepoo 19:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)