Talk:Rome: Total War

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Strategy games, an effort by several users to improve Wikipedia articles on strategy games. For more information, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.	SG Portal
B	This article has been rated as B-Class on the assessment scale.
High	This article is on a subject of High priority within strategy games for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.
Strategy games To-do: edit  Create: Close Combat: The Russian Front • Close Combat: Battle of the Bulge • Close Combat: Invasion Normandy • List of units and buildings in StarCraft Expand: HeroQuest (board game) • Boku (game) • Qubic • Death Stacks • Entropy (board game) • Fitchneal • Five Field Kono Copyedit: Crossings (game) • Gonnect • Quoridor • Company of Heroes • Dark Reign • Myth (computer game) Cleanup: Abalone (board game) • Age of Mythology • Battle Realms • Outlive • Stronghold (2001 game) • Fleet Command • Combat Mission (computer game series) Cite Sources: Colonization (computer game) • MacHack (chess) Update: List of strategy video games More...

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Video games. For more information, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.	CVG Portal
B	This article has been rated as B-Class on the assessment scale.
CVG To-do: edit  Gaming Collaboration of the week: Imagic Expand: New CVG Articles, Normality, Pac-Man World 2, Operation Flashpoint: Elite, Call of Juarez, Galactic Civilizations II: Dark Avatar, Ford Street Racing, Betrayal at Krondor CVG Peer Review: List of F-Zero titles, Kya: Dark Lineage, Wii Remote, Dynasty Warriors 4, The Sims 2, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, Kirby's Dream Land, Electronic sports, Fire Emblem, Dante (Devil May Cry), The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Final Fantasy XII, Sonic the Hedgehog (16-bit), Classes in World of Warcraft Cleanup: Age of Mythology, Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, Betrayal at Krondor, List of Nintendo trademarks Merge: Deletions / Essential articles / Magazines Assess and Prioritise articles (Log)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Rome: Total War article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject.
Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (~~~~). Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers.	Be polite Assume good faith No personal attacks Be welcoming	Article policies No original research Neutral point of view Verifiability

Archives

1

Contents 1 The Amazons 2 Online clans 3 "Arcade-like" 4 Brutii and Scipii 5 The addition of mods as external links 6 Barbarian Invasion Inaccuracies 7 Split expansions sections 8 Wespon Inaccuracies 9 expansion heruli 10 a few questions 11 RTW redirection to this page? 12 Weasel Words in the gameplay critism section? 13 historical inaccuracies 14 To become Emperor

[edit] The Amazons

I think that we should do away with the Amazons as a different type of Rebel, only because I resently conquered that settlement with a very small force in the game, and I saw no Yubsets, meaning the Amazons are just another independent kingdom, and nothing special.

Yes but they do have unique chariots only found in that region so they are pretty special

[edit] Online clans

Hi i play rtw and bi online as a member of the Sith clan and was wondering if it would be ok to mention them either on the main page or on a seperate (linked) page, mind you judging by the talk section i may have just reignited a very hot subject...--Boris Johnson VC 16:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but clans don't belong in this article- it's an encyclopedia article about the game, not a place for advertising clans. You can try making a new article just for your clan, but clan articles tend to get deleted very quickly. Cheers --DarthBinky 17:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, i won't bother now then, a pity mind you as clans are very important to the rtw online game (just go to the rtw lobbey), but i guess its a bit hard to keep it NPOV. --Boris Johnson VC 17:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Boris, you should create a jedi order clans page, and give this vital eliment to the rtw online game the recognision it deserves. Don't worry about user DarthBinky, he's nothing but a vandal. P.S. I am also a member of an online gaming clan for rtw, the Jedi Order. --La France 19:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Is user La France a sockpuppet as he only has one edit? If he is not perhaps he should create a Rome total war online clans page himself. --Boris Johnson VC 19:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks. Calling DarthBinky a vandal is not on.

Anyone is free to create any page they wish - so long as it is compliant with our policies. If it is not, then it will probably be deleted.

Everything that is included in any article must be verifiable by reliable sources and must be neutrally presented.-Localzuk ^(talk) 19:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Arcade-like"

In the criticisms section, somebody wrote that critics compare it to "arcade-like" RTS games like Rise of Nations and Age of Empires. Honestly, how can there be anything arcade-like about those games? Has this person even been in an arcade? This sounds like a generic POV insult rather than a factual statement. I've removed it until somebody wants to justify this statement to me.--71.112.234.168 21:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you made the right call. Sometimes things get missed... it happens. In fact, I'd venture to say that the bit about those games should be chopped anyway. Cheers. --DarthBinky 21:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, compared to some it is a lot more arcade..y... For example, Hearts of Iron 2, or virtually any game made by Paradox Entertainment(Or was it Interactive?). I think in terms of arcade-style it goes just about like Rise of Nations > Rome: TW > Any game made by Paradox, but it is indeed nowhere near any game in an actual arcade...But can you call Rise of Nations arcade-like? Have you seen any RTS or TBS in an arcade ever? I don't know how to work this wikipedia site so I don't know how to make a new topic...so I'll just add what I gotta say here, perhaps the cheats should be listed on this article too? I've never used them as it's generally not my style....but it seems like the kind of information someone would be looking for on a wikipedia site. I found what I was looking for though(Where the nomads historically traveled to and how to unify Rome). Actually...how does the unification of rome work? Do you just randomly exit the alliance and declare war or is there some sort of event that happens? Because I could just be content going about conquering the others for a looong time, I don't need anymore enemies really....sorry for the long windedness and any wikipedia-noob mistakes I may have made -Brandon

[edit] Brutii and Scipii

Are they actually called that in the game?

Yes, unfortunately... Both of those names are declined incorrectly. - XX55XX 21:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

However, there is no inaccuracy in assuming that the Bruti might well have ruled Rome given the chance. They were an ancient and powerful family, and while Brutus goes down in history as a defender of the Republic, it may well have been lipservice. We see Brutus as noble largely because Shakespeare characterizes him as such.

[edit] The addition of mods as external links

I noticed that recently 81.155.84.141 has started adding external links to mods. I'm pretty sure that there used to be external mod links listed and they were removed. Irrespective of the history, this has high potential of going down the same route as the whole clans issue (i.e. why is that mod listed and not another one). I think we should follow the example of Half_Life#Mods, where the mod community is even more significant than the Total War one, and only list internal wikipedia links to mods which have articles here. If a page for a specific mod can survive (as with Rome_Total_Realism and Europa_Barbarorum) then fine. Otherwise this is just going to get messy. I've deleted the external mod links for now. I don't think anyone can doubt my pro-mod credentials, but I don't see external links working at this time. Epistolary Richard 10:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with you- I'm all for streamlining. It was indeed very messy before! --DarthBinky 15:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok. But I listed the most popular mods. Which is how they where chosen. I don't see a problem with that. Rome Total Realism EB have pages. And if you'll quit the moaning I'll go ahead and make one the best MP mod around, Napoleonic: Total War 2.

I could give you a list of a dozen mods that could be considered 'highly popular' and a bunch more that have been downloaded thousands of times. Just because you're a fan of the two you added doesn't mean that they should get special treatment. If they survive as wikipedia pages - as the other two have - then by all means add an internal link. Epistolary Richard 12:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barbarian Invasion Inaccuracies

In Barbarian Invasion I understand that Valentinian's heir is Leontius in the game, but as far as Gratian is concerned, im pretty confident that he is included as GRATIANUS FLAVIUS. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by user:Mastermind 1125 (talk • contribs).

Huh... you're right, he is in there. I'll fix it. --DarthBinky 02:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Split expansions sections

Put up a split section tag. The expansion descriptions are certainly large enough, especially for Barbarian Invasion, to have their own articles. Every The Sims expansion has its own article and Barbarian Invasion alone has more information than most of them. I don't own Rome: Total War, so I wouldn't be comfortable working on content. --theSpectator _talk 23:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I own all 3 RTW releases so I would be comfortable doing all the stuff for the new pages. The Barbarian Invasion section allready has enough info for a new article so that would require minimal work. The Alexander section will require more work, but I'll be easily able to put that in. Hole in the wall 13:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I think they should have their own pages as well. Rabakam 16:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Rabakam

Yeah it should get its own, the section is big enough PaddyPyro 15:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I am going to split off the BI section now. The Alexander will need a lot more work so I'll do that after school. Hole in the wall 07:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wespon Inaccuracies

Under Historical accuracy in Barbarian Invasion is says "Some weapons modeled in the game do not reflect historical outfits. Notably, many Roman units still utilize the pilum, even though the Romans ceased carrying them about a century earlier." This is not true, anyone who plays the game can clearly see that the javelins used by the Romans are far from the earlier pilum. The weapon is ment to be the veruta, a smaller simpler javelin used by late Roman troops, similar to the Frankish angon. I'm removing the sentance about the pilum. --TheKingOfTheSquirrels 16:53, 25 November 2006

[edit] expansion heruli

how come the expansion does not have the heruli?

[edit] a few questions

Recently I have purchases RTW and I was wondering what the difference was between CD-Rom and DVD-Rom? Also whilst looking around on ign.com I saw that to activate cheats you need to press the tilde key (~) I wasn't interested at first but when fighting my inner conscience and failing dismally I tried it but it didn't work. I am now very curious as to why not can anyone help?

81.105.121.67 22:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC) Thedec

Sorry, but this isn't a help forum for the game; this page is meant to be used to discuss how to make the encyclopedia article better. I would suggest going to a game forum, such as those at totalwar.com or totalwar.org, and asking your questions there. Cheers --DarthBinky 13:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

ok cheers Thedec 13:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC) Thedec

On the article it says "If the player attempts to go to the Senate screen, which normally tellsRoman factions about these four things, the game crashes" (whilst playing as SPQR) why is this? Thedec 12:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Thedec

again, this isn't the place for game discussion. You'll have to take it to one of those other websites I mentioned earlier. Cheers! --DarthBinky 16:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Should there be more information - at least a line or two - about how a player can unlock the non-Roman playable factions? Darkmind1970 13:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RTW redirection to this page?

RTW is also a well known term for "Around the World" as used by independent travelers. Shouldn't RTW allow a visitor to select the content that they're looking for, rather than redirect directly to Rome: Total War ? Thanks. Mlepisto 03:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel Words in the gameplay critism section?

I can't see any, so I would just like someone to point out where they are so I can correct them. Hole in the wall 13:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Basically the whole section. It talks about "... was criticized" or "received critical responses", but provides no sources. WP:WEASEL also covers couching POV in the passive voice, so I used the weasel tag here. --DarthBinky 16:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It was criticized in game forums. So much so that it caused the creation of two mods. --67.175.242.13 21:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] historical inaccuracies

Why are there historical inaccuracies under both criticism and game play it seems very repetitive —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.123.96.192 (talk) 23:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] To become Emperor

If you want to be Emperor you should not attack the Senate before you have the whole Northern world. Maybe own more rich provinces like those owned originally by Macedonia or the Greek Cities. It would be a better idea to have an income of at least 10 thousand denarii as a minimum, and bear in mind that if you are one of the Roman factions this will seriously drop when you lose your trades rights with the other families.