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Contents 1 Photos 2 Make contact with 3 December 20 edits 4 Third person reference 5 August 18, 2006 6 small change 7 Hmmmm ? 8 Tone 9 Fixed?

[edit] December 20 edits

DanielK212, concerning the edits you made to ==Publications== and ==Exhibitions==, I have a few comments and questions which I list below:

1. Do you have a source for the 31 photographs in Polish Jews, or was this just a typo of mine? Also, I think the focus on spirituality in this publication is notable.
2. Doesn't Roman Vishniac (ICP) list the ICP exhibition at the Jewish Museum separately from the touring ICP exhibition? Also, where is it listed that the title of the latter is the same as the former?
3. I believe the title of Children of a Vanished World does not include "Roman Vishniac", even though the name is on the cover. Were the photographs exhibited at Spertus Museum from Children of a Vanished World or showcased with it?
4. Should not we cite the publication date of the version of Polish Jews that we used, at least for the citation?
5. Is the '83 version of The Vanished World the most popular of publications? I thought he was more well-known sooner.

Respond by the same numbering or indented within it? Thanks for the good edits. Call if you have too many questions. --Rmrfstar 22:54, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

re: dec 20 edits

1. the book jacket itself indicates 31 photos
2. looking carefully at the images, I can see evidence of "spirtuality" in just about half. In retrospect, that focus is very important.
3. yes, they are listed separatly, but the dates, titles and locations indicate they are the same exhibit traveling, from NYC to Albany etc.
4. "Children of the Vanished World" does not include photos of the original RV and reviews indicate that the exhibit in question showed only the unpublished ones.
5. my contact with him was from 1978 to 1981 and he was not yet recognized by the public

[edit] Third person reference

OK; I think we need less "he"s now... the article's becoming too informal-- look at Henri Cartier-Bresson. -- Rmrfstar 12:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] August 18, 2006

Is there a way to unprotect this so that the very numerous punctuation and grammar errors can be corrected? It's sad to see a featured article in such disarray, especially one written about such an important and interesting individual. --Charlene.fic 02:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Is the article still in such disarray? Have you any suggestions as to how we may improve it? -- Rmrfstar 12:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] small change

"He was, however, an extremely diverse photographer, an accomplished biologist and a knowledgeable student and teacher of art history."

2nd sentance I'm changing to "He was not only an extremely diverse photographer, but also an accomplished biologist and a knowledgeable student and teacher of art history." because I don't think however is appropriate since you're not directly contradicting anything.Omishark 03:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

That sounds good to me! -- Rmrfstar 09:54, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hmmmm ?

"He is known also for his extreme humanism and respect and awe for life, sentiments that can be seen in all aspects of his work."

A person with such a heavy agenda as a zionist hardly fits the character of a "extreme humanist" (What is a humanist?) and "awe for life" (Shock & Awe maybe, har har, I digress).

I can't say I see the contradiction. -- Rmrfstar 12:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Probably because you're not looking through the eyes of an anti-semite. Try squinting real hard and then look at this from say "historian" David Irving's point of view. If you support the right of a Jewish state to exist, you can't be a humanist. See it now?

The fact is that many well known humanists have supported the existance of the Jewish state. The name Albert Einstein for one comes to mind. Einstein served on the advisory board of the First Humanist Society of New York. And he was invited to serve as the second president of Israel (which he declined). No doubt some wouldn't count Einstein as a humanist because, well, you know, he's one of them, you know, those people.Askolnick 22:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Also the photo that people have chosen to use of him makes him look like some sort of raggly skinned rapist demon worshipper, cant you find one nicer?

- Lemonus

Unfortunatly, that's the best available at the moment. I'm currently talking to Greg Wilsbacher who should be able to provide us with some free images from the collection at http://www.sc.edu/library/digital/collections/vishniac.html. He said he send me them by yesterday, but that he's also very busy... -- Rmrfstar 12:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I am willing to allow use of a beautiful portrait I made of Roman and Edith Vishniac, that really captures their marvelous relationship. I took it in 1977 and it was published in an article on them in Hadassah magazine around 1981 or 1982. I need to find the negative and scan it. However, it's on 120 film, which I cannot scan and therefore will have to take it to a lab. Askolnick 22:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I got the scan back from the lab and have replaced the previous photo with my portrait of Roman and Edith Vishniac. Askolnick 03:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tone

I read this article with interest, congratulations on getting it to FA status. I found, though, that the tone was much more casual than is usual for our most lauded biographies. There was a folky tone that didn't add anything to his biographical information, it seemed to be there only to make him seem more accessible. Not a bad goal, but not encyclopedic IMO. I'd like to see the article with a few fewer adjectives and adverbs, and a slightly more formal tone. Anchoress 20:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

If there's a folky tone, that's probably from my writing style. Feel free to change or criticise certain sections if you feel they are too casual, as you have already done. -- Rmrfstar 12:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fixed?

Glad this article got fixed, apparently someone decided to trash it. Thanks to the fixer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rich153fish (talk • contribs).

Whenever an article goes on the main page, it gets lots of vandalism, and reverting that vandalism quite commonplace, though still deserving of thanks. -- Rmrfstar 12:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC)