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[edit] Dubious additoins

There are some dubious additions by User:Greier.

First of all, "Valurile lui Traian" were not made by Traian and not even by the Romans, they were made in a later era, some by Goths, some by Byzantines.

Then, the only Dacian tribe that was mentioned after the Roman retreat were the "Carpians" (sometimes "Carpo-Dacians"). AFAIK, we don't know any other Dacian tribe and talking about Costoboci in 3rd century is anachronistic: they were destroyed in mid-2nd century. bogdan 18:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn`t say they were made by Trajan, but by the Romans. And they were built by Romans, at least some part of them. Indeed, it seems that some were built by some barbarian tribes to separate their terrioty, and others seems to be built later by the Byzantines.

Which valla are you talking about? AFAIK, there are three major valla that are located in Romania:

• Trajan's Wall, several walls built by the Byzantines in the 10th century in Dobruja.
• Atharnic's Wall, built by the Goths in the 4th century in Southern Moldavia as defence lines against the Huns.
• Brazda lui Novac, two walls in Oltenia, built sometimes in the 2nd - 4th centuries by the Romans and/or Byzantines.

bogdan 11:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Costoboci were mentioned later, until I refind the exact source, I`ll remove it.

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what do you do now? a wich hunt? delete everything I wrote, even if it`s bad, or good? typicall pack mentality... dahn, bogdan, orioane... on what base are did you do that?

[edit] Roman withdrawal

I'm puzzled by the claim reading there are no archaeological evidence of Roman life (coins, inscriptions) after the rule of Gallienus. Virtuall all the recent archaeological or numismatic monographies, but also history studies I've encountered argue/claim the contrary. The Roman (or post-Roman life) continued not only after Gallienius, but also after Aurelianus until the last quarter of the 4th century. And there should be two different areas - the inter-Carpathian area (Transylvanian) which was abandoned in 271 and never taken back, and the Banat and Oltenia which were not really abandoned (see Drobeta, Dierna, Gornea, Mehadia, Desa) and even during the reign of Constaninus I these areas were fully taken back in the empire.

For instance, taking a summary of the archaeological evidences from Banat (Mircea Mare - Banatul între secolele IV-IX, 2004), I've made a small list of settlements from Romanian Banat where non-hoard bronze coins were found, coins issued in the last quarter of 3rd century of first half of 4th century: Baziaş (Caraş-Severin), Bănia (Caraş-Severin), Beba Veche (Timiş), Ilidia (Caraş-Severin), Jimbolia (Timiş), Mehadia (Caraş-Severin), Orşova (Mehedinţi), Satu Mare (Arad), Săcălaz (Timiş) (the list is incomplete - it is a 300 items list of settlements for both Romanian and Serbian Banat and I've just made a quick browse). Also the author claims that explicitely: "In the period of beginning of 4th century but also along the 4th century the material culture from ex-province (my note: Dacia), including Banat, has a strong Roman character based on the Roman coin" (p. 12, my translation).

Ana Maria Velter - Transilvania în secolele V-XII, 2002: "The coins circulation did not cease after the Roman withdrawal. [...] As proof there are numerous discoveries of Roman coins isolated or in hoards. (footnote: C. Preda - Circulaţia monedelor romane postaureliene în Dacia, SCIVA nr. 26, 1975, p. 441-486)" (p. 28, my translation)

Iancu Moţu - Dacia Provincia Augusti, 2004: "Though there was a monetary crisis in the empire, around these centers (my note: the ceramic manufacturing centers from Porolissum and Cristeşti) large quantities of coins were discovered, but also in all the cities of the ex-provinces (my note: the Dacian provinces): Napoca, Potaissa, Apulum, Ulpia Traiana. [...] Taking in account in Dacia as everywhere else in the empire the most frequent coins were of bronze [...] this is one of the most important clues for the continuity of a Roman-influenced life." (p. 194-195, my translation)

As for Avienus, the article misses to say an important thing: he claims Traianus conquered Dacia, Gallienus lost it and Aurelianus withdrew the Romans. Daizus 21:53, 7 February 2007 (UTC)