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[edit] Minimization of Fast Ferry

Ferry section is in serious need of rewriting as the ferry really isn't part of rochester anymore--other than a lingering bad memory.I believe this section is seriously out of date and should either be preserved rewritten into it's own document, or should be considerably reduced. -- B_cubed 2:02, 26 July 2006

The ill fated Ferry is a significant part of Rochester's recent history. The latest news, as of March 20, is that the Mayor has just cancelled a deal with the potential buyer Euroferries because of long delays in their purchasing the ferry.

Also--I've never heard the expression "fast ferry" to describe a bad deal as any kind of standardized phrase.

[edit] The removal of 'List of Noteworthy Rochesterians'

This list has been removed because it's a tangent subject that is starting to grow larger than the Rochester, NY article itself. All data has been merged with List of New York Rochesterians. Please make all future changes there. Also note that people added without explanation/links to specific active changes will be removed from that list. Travisowens@hotmail.com 21:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] city vs. conurbation

The literal mindedness of Americans when it comes to local political boundaries never ceases to amaze me. How about adding something about the whole of Rochester's conurbation (the metro as I think you would call it)? Plenty of work has gone into the article, but without this context, it is seriously misleading to non-American readers, giving them a totally false idea of the size of the "city" - "city" meaning "built-up" area everywhere else in the world. Wincoote 02:49, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

What is this in reference to? What context would you like to see in the article? Perhaps we should define what communities are considered part of the Rochester Metropolitan Area; Brighton, Henrietta, Victor. If this is in reference to the removal of Geneseo and Alfred; both locations are far from the "City" of Rochester and also far from what would be considered the Rochester Metro Area.--Mattlary 04:21, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)
It's a reference to what it says its a reference to. If you tell people in most parts of the World that Rochester has a population of 200,000 they will assume you mean the metropolitan area because that is the primary meaning of the word city in most of the world. Most of them won't know that it's actually the centre of a one million population conurbation if you don't mention it, and this is the sort of thing they will want to know if they have chosen to read about Rochester. The American usage of the word city if of little interest to most non-Americans. Wincoote 00:58, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've added a blurb about the Rochester metropolitan area. Keep in mind that in New York State, the word city has a specific legal meaning, with specific boundries, and that listing it's population as anything other than the population within those set boundries would be incorrect. --Mattlary 03:50, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Flower City vs Flour City

After seeing the page flip from The Flower City to The Flour City and back, I thought I should research and clarify. Although I couldn't find an example to share, the city logo which appears on the city flag has both terms around the logo as described here: [1]. --Mattlary 03:09, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

The early history of the city, as the main point for milling flour in western new york, yielded the nickname "the flour city". Later, with the proliferation of green houses and nurseries in the area, the nickname was cleverly changed to "the flower city". --b3x 19:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Midtown Mall

As a former resident of Rochester, I really don't believe that there should be so much informatoin about the Midtown Plaza here. I removed it once, but it was put back. A sort of compromise would be to make an article about it, and have it linked to.

There's nothing exceptional about the mall; the Rochester metro area has several other malls which are bigger and do more business. I would suggest putting up a list of the shopping centers in the area, and wikilink to an article which would give more info about Midtown plaza. Any objections? --BaronLarf 19:30, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

No objection here, was considering doing it myself... Ceejayoz 12:28, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Done. --BaronLarf 16:04, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

The significant thing about the Midtown Plaza Mall is that it was the first indoor mall in the country.

[edit] NAtive American Tribes

[edit] Professional Sports

User:Empireroar has added the Empire State Roar to the list of professional sports teams in Rochester. I can find no reason why they shouldn't be on the list, except for a recent Democrat and Chronicle feature that specifically said Rochester has seven professional sports teams, not eight. The question, then, is did the D&C have a good reason for not listing the Roar, or was it just an oversight? Powers 20:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

What are people's opinions about mentioning the Rochester Lancers as a former well-known soccer team? They have their own Wiki page for people who would like more details, but aren't even mentioned on the main Rochester, NY page. Perhaps a little comment like:

"The Rochester Lancers were a soccer team based out of Rochester, New York that played in the American Soccer League from 1967 until 1969 and the North American Soccer League from 1970 to 1980 at Holleder Memorial Stadium."

Something like this, which was taken from the Lancer's Wiki page, might be just enough to inform readers of more of our sports history, along with the mention of the Royals and the Jeffersons. Sercu70 15:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Sercu70

[edit] Syracuse DAB

Editors of Rochester, New York: I thought that you would be interested in looking at the talk:Syracuse page. Currently, a group is attempting to remove the disambiguation page located there in favor of the article for Syracuse, Italy. Seeing as this change might have precedence affecting other upstate New York articles, I hoped that you would be interested in chiming in. Thanks for your interest one way or the other. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niro5 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Proposed merge

I proposed the merge of Rochester NY slang because the article is very short (only 10 slang words; some of which can be removed), and thus doesn't merit an article of its own. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Obvious merge, yes. Powers T 00:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Agree with merge. There already is a little info on slang here already. Bringing it all together would be ideal. Baccyak4H 01:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I know I haven't waited too long, nor have I waited for many votes, but I'm pretty convinced that the slang article was mainly created as an insult to Rochester. So, I added basically the only two terms unique to Rochester (from what I can tell… I don't live there so check out the previous versions of the page just to confirm) to the "Vernacular" section. Going to remove the merge tag now as I've just redirected the slang article to here. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 03:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Inacuracy in Geography section

The Geography section states: Rochester is located at 43°9′56″N, 77°36′41″W (43.165496, -77.611504)GR1. Rochester is east of Buffalo and west of Syracuse. It is almost exactly the same driving distance from Montreal and Toronto, the two largest cities in Canada.

This is blatantly false. Toronto is 3 hours away and Montreal is more than 6.

mikemillerdc 02:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I moved it from the opening intro thinking it didn't belong there. But now that you mention it, it does seem quite a stretch. Since even if it were true, it might not be important enough or of the right nature for an encyclopedia, so I think it should be deleted. Thanks for pointing that out.
Update I did remove that content Baccyak4H 02:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Baccyak4H 02:29, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Companies

Do we really need all these barely disguised advertisement attempts of the "no so well known" companies? I'd suggest removing all of them, and limiting the section to the really big shots. Lupo 12:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

At least nearly all, I agree. Harris Interactive is debatablekeepable, and Zweigle might be, but otherwise most are clearly spam. One guideline we might use is remove all that do not have wikiarticles. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 14:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Also check the wikiarticles. I just removed one that had an article, but that was a blatant ad. I would refine your guideline to "keep only those that have wikiarticles that don't fall under WP:CSD and that you wouldn't want to nominate for WP:AFD." Lupo 15:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the companies that should not be removed should be moved - Zweigle is very well known in Western NY, even if it's not world-renowned. Harris Interactive is well known around the country if not internationally. It's not a household name like Kodak, but it's also not an obscure local company (I've done their on-line surveys for a number of years, and never realized they were Rochester-based). —Erik Harris 15:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Sure. I'll leave it up people from that area to clean this up. I don't know any of these firms. Zweigle's probably deserves a short article, and Harris Int'l already has a decent article. But I suspect most of those currently listed could go. What about Harter Secrest (pure adspeak, even), or MarketHOLD? Lupo 16:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
OK. I'll do some obvious ones, and would not object to others removing some of the rest, as this also allows some others to plug for keeping them if appropriate. I vote to keep Zweigles, article or not. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 16:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
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I took a shot and removed obvious ones. I also removed borderline ones but which only had some operations in Roc. I might add that both Heluva and Monro might be notable enough to keep here, although they are not of the same league as Harris, in my estimation. I kept some others that made claims of notability like "national", even though those claims were not sourced. The Sutherland one looks like spam but it does make a notability claim. I defer to someone who knows it better to improve the claim or to remove the listing altogether. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 17:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

(undent) The yardstick I usually use is that if they are notable enough, they should have their own WP page and that page would contain the link. If they aren't notable enough for their own page, then they're not notable to EL. It's probably a tad too brutal, but that's sort of where I start from. Obviously there are exceptions and this is not an ideal world. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 12:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rochesterian Points of View

I notice the section that was recently added, and am unsure about whether this type of thing is really what a Wikipedia article should be about. In particular, this seems to be asking editors to go against WP:NPOV requirement. I just didn't want to revert it without some discussion happening. -- Alucard (Dr.) 00:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no question in my mind that this section does not belong. I will revert it now. Besides being unencyclopedic it most likely falls under original research as well. b_cubed 13:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
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