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[edit] Emptiness

Please don't create an article until you're ready to have actual content: empty articles look bad. What would happen if someone found it through the Random Page button?

I've deleted it, but if you like, I can copy the deleted material to a subpage in your userspace (User:FK0071a/whatever) for you to work on until it's ready. Okay? DS 15:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the right tag...

The right tag is {{PD-old}}. I marked the photo for you. ---J.S (t|c) 15:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bowling Books

Hi,

Your bot? has changed the bowling books pages - said it may delete them for being "nn book" - fair enough but what does that mean so I am able to expand?

Many thanks.

(Added to User:Pearle on 11:17, 9 April 2006 by User:FK0071a)

Pearle is a computer program that does not tag articles for deletion. Which page(s) in particular are you referring to? Perhaps I can help figure out what happened if the problem has not already been resolved. -- Beland 21:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image Tagging Image:Nickhalling.jpg

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[edit] Please do not post copyrighted text

We appreciate your creation of the articles:

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• Incredible Veggie Roadshow
• The Silent Ark: A Chilling expose of meat - the global killer

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[edit] Template:Animal Liberation

Please do not add red names and external links in a template. You might as well add Islamist terrorists in the Islam template. The template is not about terrorism. Best wishes, --A Sunshade Lust 19:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Please use edit summaries, a good thing in general but more important on something like this template, used on lots of pages. It mainly makes it easier for others to look at your changes. Thanks, |→ Spaully°τ 22:40, 12 August 2006 (GMT)

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[edit] Content policies

Hi FK, there are a few problems with the way you're writing and editing, and I think it would help if you'd take time to read our content policies: WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:BLP. In particular, material must be written from a neutral point of view, and in a disinterested tone, and must be carefully sourced. Your writing displays a strong pro-animal rights POV, which means that a lot of your edits will be reverted, whereas if you edit within our content policies, you'll find they'll be more likely to stick. Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] link to British

Hello, when you want to link to the article about something British, please do not link to British, as that is a disambiguation page (which nothing should be linked to). Instead link to the one of the options found on that page such as United Kingdom or Great Britain by writing out [[United Kingdom|British]] or [[Great Britain|British]]. Regards, Jeff3000 17:51, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion procedure

See AfD in 3 steps. I think you missed steps 2 and 3. Let me know if I can help. Tom Harrison ^Talk 22:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Replace "Reason the page should be deleted" with your reason. Replace my name with four tildes (~~~~). This will appear as your user name with a time stamp. Tom Harrison ^Talk 23:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Then we'll move on to step three. Tom Harrison ^Talk 23:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

The whole thing was a mess, and probably violated WP:POINT anyway. If you want to list it for deletion, try again, and this time follow the directions carefully. Let me know if you have any questions. Tom Harrison ^Talk 23:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

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credit given as TV Screen shot: Screenshot from "I Trust You To Kill Me". I want to learn how to fix my mistakes about images but am unsure. FK0071a 15:57, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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credit given as Promotional image: Promotional image from Rocco DeLuca official MySpace site [1] FK0071a 20:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] article

Wellcome to your first contact with the anti-truth movement:

Your article Paul Joseph Watson is risking to be deleted. --Striver 14:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the invitation. I have tried to creat similar projects earlier, so expect at least an atemt to delet it very soon. --Striver 11:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Its more or less a rule of thumb, most of the things i creat are afd'd, and most of them are keept. But people want them to go away, and you need to be well informed and stuborn to not get scared away. I even have my own team of editors that follow me to whadever i do, i cant even do something in a totaly unrelated article for them to show up and start hassling me. Just as well to get used to it, Big Brother, or the "Big Brother wannabee team" are watching me :D --Striver 15:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rocco De Luca

Hiya, I got your message about Rocco DeLuca and the Burden. I edited the Rocco article after watching Sky 1's I Trust you to kill me documentary . To be honest I'm a massive Kiefer Sutherland fan, so I don't know much about the band other than his involvement, and I don't know if I can help you. Sorry that I can't be much help. I am from England too. It was sad that the band didn't get a warmer (and more punctual) welcome in London. Jilly 14:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

• PS Your Rocco article says that citations are needed for when Kiefer said he was sacked by the band. I don't know how to cite, but if you go to the Kiefer Rocks website, under 'news' you can view a clip from the The Tonight Show With Jay Leno (from 19 April) that shows Kiefer saying the quote that appears in your article (that mucisians are 'nuts'). Hope this helps. Jilly 14:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I'd let you know that since you said their music was good I looked on their website and listened to a few tracks. I actually got really into it, particularly liking Colorful and Mystified, so I've asked for the (CD) album for my birthday. You aren't sad for getting a Bauer bag - I'm in the 24 fanclub! Love the article - wow it must've taken you ages!! Jilly 17:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JH Brennan

Hi there, saw your recently created page. Is this the same J.H. Brennan who used to write gamebooks? Nehwyn 17:03, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge but please update me as much as you can! FK0071a 18:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Odin Brotherhood

Excellent work on the Odin Brotherhood material! --Cpoirot 00:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] article namespace and Wikiprojects

please stop adding {{Germanic Mysticism, Revivalism and Nazism}} to article namespace (apparently a Wikiproject template, as opposed to a template on an article series). We want to avoid self-reference and not refer to Wikiprojects in articles. Alternatively, you could change the template to link to articles, not Wikipedia: namespace. dab (ᛏ) 19:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Katja Lane

Hello. I deleted the article because someone else had tagged it {{db-bio}}. All the article contained was that she was the wife of an imprisoned Wotanist and a co-founder of his organisation (together with lots of "see also" wikilinks). I didn't think this lends her notability per WP:BIO. The closest WP:BIO criterion I could find was, "Persons achieving renown or notoriety for their involvement in newsworthy events, such as by being assassinated," and I don't think she qualifies there. If you have more information about her, please resubmit an article that explains more clearly why joint-foundation of this organisation makes her notable. Best wishes, --RobertG ♬ talk 12:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism / Copyright violations

Do not add text copied from other websites to Wikipedia articles as you did at Freya Aswynn, Níð and The Secret of the Runes (book). If you do this again you will be blocked from editing. Haukur 15:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ron McVan

Only sysops can view deleted revisions but I'll send you the text if you specify an e-mail address in your preferences (or elsewhere). Haukur 16:43, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm still getting "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." Haukur 17:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Animal rights

Could you explain what you meant by this edit, please? [2] SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. No worries. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:46, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Re : Please block

I've reverted the IP, will keep watch further. Looks like some minor infractions from a school, so I won't block just yet (if anything urgent comes up, WP:AIV has several sysops on standby). - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Image:Nidstangpolepennick.jpg listed for deletion

[edit] Internal links to a subheading

Ah, I just saw the little external link symbol. Take a look at how I resolved it. The external link format should not be used for internal links.

Also, the references need to be reformatted. Should be alpha by author's last name. For example:

• Last, First (year). Title. Publisher. ISBN xxxxxxxxxx.

Sorry for the confusion. -999 (Talk) 16:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Magic vs Magick

But, I agree with 999 on this question, at least. How does that help you? —Hanuman Das 14:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] OK

I am also going to fix the category for you. Should be "Magical terms in Germanic mysticism" —Hanuman Das 14:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No problem

No problem. I am trying to help, not hinder. Since a couple of the articles like Odin Brotherhood and the one on its author have been deleted once via AfD, they could be speedily deleted at any time. Therefore it is important to see that these articles conform to Wikipedia standards. If there is a lot of unverified material, links to personal websites as "references", etc. it will be hard to keep the articles from being deleted... -999 (Talk) 15:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood

I left a message on the Odin Brotherhood talk page. The work exists and I have a copy. It was given to me about ten years ago.

Mirabello or his book are nowhere mentioned in it.

--Jkelley 23:51, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

--Jkelley 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC) I left this on the talk page of Odin Orotherhood:

I regret I do not know how to photograph and post a picture.

On occasion, I have seen copies for sale on ebay, however. How weird is that?

If you have a postal address, I could probably xerox it and send it to you. Again, it seems to have been distributed without charge. --Jkelley 04:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

More information on "Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood." It was "printed" by Thule Publications, PO Box 4542, Portland, Oregon 97208, USA. There is no ISBN. Athough nicely done, it appears to have been an underground publication--one "off the radar."

If I remember correctly, the leader of a "Thule" group was assaulted with a baseball bat some years ago in Portland. That may explain why the web site no longer exists for this Thule group.--Jkelley 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

It occurs to me I could probably find someone to "scan" the work for you. Interested?

--Jkelley 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you provide an e-mail for the scanned copy? --Jkelley 02:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ostara

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[edit] Please do not remove AfD notices from articles

Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion pages, as you did with Peter Carroll. The notices and comments are needed to establish community consensus about the status of an article, and removing them is considered vandalism. If you oppose the deletion of an article, you may comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. --Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 18:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for removing the AfD tag

I got sidetracked before I finshed closing the AfD.--Isotope23 15:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please

Stop with the vandlising notices on my talk page. I made a mistake and I removed it. Please see WP:AGF and perhaps you need to read WP:OWN as well. Thank you. Whispering 16:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I note that it was a mistake on your part and respect that. But, don't say I vandalise notices on your talk page when I only edit my own comments to make them better and give references. FK0071a 16:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GD link

Apparently it had a / at the end when it shouldn't. When you restored it you took the / off. Still, the anon who has been repeatedly adding it should have tested it!! Perhaps some browsers retry without the trailing slash and others don't? I use Firefox and the original link gave a 404 error. -999 (Talk) 17:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Illuminates of Thanateros

Has been nominated for deletion. Thought you'd want to know. —Hanuman Das 00:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:VOLKSigil1awhite.JPG listed for deletion

For the record, a hostile fellow ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mikkalai ) has systematically purged everything about the Odin Brotherhood. To make matters worse, he has administrative powers!

There are plenty of places to play these pagan games. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a junkyard of wild fantasies. There are well-known cults and sectret societies and sects and whats not. Mirabello's stuff is just nonnotable. `'mikkanarxi 02:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

If you are interested, I have saved most of the material at this alternative site.

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Odin_Brotherhood

On another matter, I will send the scan of the “Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood.” Do you have an e-mail I may use? --Jkelley 22:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow! For the record, I only put the link on your page. The "hostile fellow" copied the text here and altered it. Sorry about that. Be sure to delte what he copied, as it is adulturated.

--Jkelley 02:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Here is the correct version. His adulturated version follows:--Jkelley 02:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The Odin Brotherhood is a secret society for men and women who value “knowledge, freedom, and power.”

The Brotherhood practices the ancient warrior religion called Odinism. Consecrated to the pagan gods of the Norse pantheon --gods viewed as "older, better, and truer"- members of the Brotherhood use the so-called Eddaic Verses–also called the Poetic Edda–as a kind of scripture.

Members claim their pagan order was established in 1421 to protect the ancient religion during the "Burning Times," and they insist it has existed in unbroken lineage to the present. If the claim is accurate, the Odin Brotherhood resembles the Tariquat, the secret brotherhoods in Islam that sustain the traditions underground in times of intense persecution.

[edit] Who Established the Odin Brotherhood?

Their myth of foundation –albeit interesting– is fantastic. Like the story of Hiram Abif in Freemasonry, the foundation myth of the Brotherhood involves a crime against innocence.

In the legend of the Brotherhood, the story begins when a young pagan widow was caught honoring her ancient gods and goddesses in a remote grotto. For her action, an angry mob burned her on a pyre composed of green wood.

After the murder, the woman’s three children used an ancient and forbidden rite from paganism (a rite called necromancy) and summoned her from beyond the grave.

Answering the summons, the slain woman instructed her children to save the ancient religion of Odinism by taking the movement underground. They were instructed to form a secret society–a "conspiracy of equals"--dedicated to the old gods.

According to the Odin Brotherhood, all of these events occurred somewhere in Eurasia–somewhere north of the Black Sea--in the fifteenth century of the current era.

They also insist that buried artifacts exist which will some day confirm their tale.

[edit] How Does One Join the Odin Brotherhood?

Traditionally, the teachings are spread from person to person. Only by word of mouth, from mind to mind, could the secrets pass.

Today, however, with more written information appearing in manuscript and in published form, solitary practitioners (“lone wolves” who initiate themselves)–are becoming more common.

In its current form, membership in the Odin Brotherhood is secret–as in the so-called Illuminati conspiracy. The objectives of the Odin Brotherhood are stated publicly, as in the legendary Rosicrucians.

Secret Societies are still illegal in some countries. As Nick Harding points out in Secret Societies, for example, they are forbidden by the constitution of Poland.

[edit] The Rite of Blood

Joining the Odin Brotherhood involves a kind of vision quest cemented by a ceremony of blood.

In ancient religion, without blood there is no power. That is the reason that animals were cut in half when the biblical Jehovah made his covenant with Abraham.

Also, because of the power of blood Jewish boys are circumcised on the eighth day.

The initiation rite of the Odin Brotherhood--which is based on the “marking with the spear” rite described by the medieval author Snorri Sturluson, involves solitude, a diet of bread and ice, a dagger, and a fire.

The initiate –after proper purification– makes three incisions on his body. He then devotes, hallows, and sanctifies his soul to the “gods who live” by penetrating a fire three times with a dagger stained with his own blood.

From the beginning, the movement--in spite of its name--has included women.

[edit] Theology, Devotion, and Ethics

The Odin Brotherhood embraces polytheism. The gods, which include Odin, Thor, Frigga, Heimdall, Vidar, Tyr, Freya, and the other beings in the Norse pantheon, are viewed as powerful entities that are finite in nature. The gods are not omnipotent—they are not omniscient—but they accomplish their wills through struggle, not fiats. Humanoid in shape, the gods are physical beings that inhabit hidden corridors in the universe. Often appearing on earth in disguise, they are known by many names in many languages. Odin, for example, appears also as Hermes and Rudra. Believing in direct contact with the gods, the Odin Brotherhood teaches that deities typically communicate with humanity through a system of "messengers and spies."

Devotionally, members of the Odin Brotherhood do not worship the gods on their knees. Refusing to be slaves, Odinists admire the gods but do not grovel before them.

Ethically, the Odin Brotherhood creates no laws, only virtues. The Odin Brotherhood glorifies "thought, courage, honor, light, and beauty."

A tradition for warriors, the Odin Brotherhood teaches that "when the gods made man, they made a weapon." The Odin Brotherhood represents strength over weakness, pride over humility, and knowledge over faith.

[edit] Death and Afterlife

The Odin Brotherhood teaches that all beings ultimately experience death. In poetic terms, death is personified as beautiful females--called the valkyries--who exist "in an endless variety of exquisite forms."

Since death is not annihilation, the "transfigured life form" will go to one of three Other-Worlds. The most famous of these "Other-Worlds" is Valhalla.

In cosmic terms, death is described as Ragnarok, the final battle which destroys every universe. According to the Odin Brotherhood, Ragnarok is an "orgy of purification" from which a new cosmos is born. The cycle of destruction and rebirth--which will go on forever--is called the Law-of-the-Endless-Circle."

Also called the "eternal return," the "Law-of-the-Endless-Circle" teaches that existence never ends with destruction. "Nothing dies forever," and all beings--and all things--will return.

[edit] Discovery and Exposure of the Brotherhood Today

The Odin Brotherhood's was first exposed to the general public in 1992 with the publication of the book The Odin Brotherhood by Dr. Mark L. Mirabello, who is a professor of European history at Shawnee State University.

First contact was made when Mirabello encountered a silver-haired man in a bookshop in Leith, in the United Kingdom. At the time, Mirabello was conducting historical reseach as a doctoral student in Scotland's University of Glasgow.

The gentleman, who called himself Lodur's Friend (in honor of the mysterious god in the Eddaic Verses), was holding a peculiar cane adorned with the images of the serpent and the ass, the two animals that speak in the bible.

"Blind loyalty is a virtue in a dog, but it is an offense in a human being," declared the stranger, when he noticed Mirabello studying an obscure essay on faith.

The two men became friends, and "Lodur's Friend" introduced Mirabello to a "circle of fascinating individuals." The group met for unusual feasts, normally in Edinburgh or London, always at night, and always during the time of the new moon.

The feasts were referred to as "conventicles," and they were by invitation only. Those who "feared" or "hated" authority were excluded, but those who "laughed at" authority were welcome.

Some years after the publication of Mirabello's book, the anonymous and privately printed Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood began to circulate. Copies of the latter are rare.

[edit] Bibliography

Hollander, Lee M. The Poetic Edda. Austin, 1986.

Mirabello, Mark. The Odin Brotherhood. 5th edition. Oxford, England, 2003.

Storyteller, Ragnar. Odin's Return. Payson,Arizona, 1995.

Sturluson, Snorri. Ynglinga Saga.

Sturluson, Snorri. Prose Edda. Mineola, New York, 2006.

Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood. Portland, no date.

Wodanson, Edred. Asatru-The Hidden Fortress. Parksville, BC, Canada, 2005.

[edit] External links

• Odin Brotherhood (North America and Europe)
• Odin Brotherhood (South America)
• Radio interview on the Odin Brotherhood for Odin Lives, now Nine Worlds Radio
• Odin Brotherhood Discussion Group.

HERE FOLLOWS HIS COMMENTS:

[edit] Odin Brotherhood

Why don't you buy the book of this Mirabello guy, to enjoy his fantasies in origin? I don't see any problem to put this text here. I am only against free promo of Mirabello the fantasy writer. `'mikkanarxi 02:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Odin Brotherhood is a secret society claiming to practices an ancient Germanic "warrior religion" called Odinism.^{[citation needed]} Members of the Brotherhood use the Eddaic Verses, also called the Poetic Edda, as a kind of scripture. The existence of the society was claimed in 1992 by Mark L. Mirabello.

Members claim^{[citation needed]} their pagan order was established in 1421 to protect the ancient religion during the persecution of the "Burning Times", and they insist it has existed in unbroken lineage to the present. In its current form, membership in the Odin Brotherhood is clandestine–as in the so-called Illuminati. The objectives of the Odin Brotherhood are stated publically, as in the legendary Rosicrucians.

[edit] Mirabello's alleged discovery of the Brotherhood

The Odin Brotherhood's first expose into the general public came to light in 1992 with the publication of the book 'The Odin Brotherhood' by Mark L. Mirabello, who is the professor of European History at Shawnee State University.

First contact was made when Mirabello encountered a silver-haired gentleman in a bookshop in Leith in Scotland while conducting doctoral research in history at Scotland's University of Glasgow.

The gentleman, whom called himself Lodur's Friend (in honour of the enigmatic god of the Eddaic Verses), was of eastern European ethnicity and was holding, according to Mirabello, a peculiar cane adorned with the images of the serpent and the ass, the two animals that speak in the bible. Both were examining occult books. The gentleman noticed that Mirabello was studying a book called the 'The Brotherhood of the Rosy Cross' by Arthur Edward Waite. During this encounter the gentleman pointed out that "The rose symbolizes secrecy" while pointing to an engraving in Mirabello's book on the Rosy Cross. The gentleman went on to say that "Since we speak sub rosa or 'under the rose', our discussion must remain forever secret." Several months passed before Mirabello saw the old man again, which occurred at the Atlantis Bookshop , an occult emporium near the British Museum in London, England. "Blind loyalty is a virtue in a dog, but it is an offense in a human being" declared the stranger, when he noticed Mirabello studying an obscure essay on faith.

Mirabello has stated that since he was interested in the stranger's knowledge they became friends and that they began to meet for dinner, usually in Edinburgh or London, at which time the stranger introduced him to a "circle of fascinating individuals". This gathering of friends for a meal (which only dined at night, during the time of the new moon), referred to itself as a conventicle, was by invitation only, and those that 'feared' or 'hated' authority were excluded. Mirabello states that those that 'laughed at' authority were welcome. The meals always adjourned before dawn.

Some years after the publication of Mirabello's book, the anonymous and privately printed Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood began to circulate. Copies of the latter are rare.

[edit] See also

• Asatru Folk Assembly
• Odinic Rite
• Odinist Fellowship
• Dragon Rouge
• Circle of Ostara
• Nazi mysticism
• Pagan Resurrection (Book)

[edit] References

• Mirabello, Mark. The Odin Brotherhood. 5th edition. Oxford, England, 2003. ISBN 1-869928-71-7
• Storyteller, Ragnar. Odin's Return. Payson,Arizona, 1995.
• Teachings of the Odin Brotherhood. Portland, no date.
• Wodanson, Edred. Asatru-The Hidden Fortress. Parksville, BC, Canada, 2005.

[edit] External links

• The Odin Brotherhood
• Another 'Odin Brotherhood' website (South America)
• Book review by Tyler Ferguson in Dagobert's Revenge
• A radio interview on the Odin Brotherhood from the formerly Odin Lives! Radio station (now Nine Worlds Radio)
• TinWiki article on the Odin Brotherhood

[edit] re: Chaos Magic term first used?

I'm afraid I can't help you. My involvement with the Peter J. Carroll page was limited to the removal of some obvious gibberish and non-encyclopedic content. From the look of the discussion page, the assertion that he coined the term remains unsourced. If someone doesn't come forward in a reasonable period of time, I'd pull the comment from that article. Good luck. Rossami (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:RunicArmanenFutharkCirclecopyrightVictorOrdellLKasen.JPG listed for deletion

Hello:

Given your interests, you may want to join this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Neopaganism

There is a discussion on the Odin Brotherhood on their talk page.

--Tsmollet 03:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prod notice

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[edit] Vandals Attack Again

Note they are now going after your article on McVan's book. Try saving your material at

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They welcome new work! --Jkelley 23:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ludwig Straniak

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[edit] Wendehorn

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[edit] Einstein plaigiarist?

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[edit] re: Black Sun Rising (Odinist)

It's restored. No problem. I'd just recommend adding some assertion of notability or it's likely to get deleted again. Merry Christmas (if you don't do Christmas, then have a happy day). :) --Fang Aili ^talk 01:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] The Mead Hall

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[edit] Höllental

Since you were the only author I'll write to you here, first there are some obvius mistakes, like the Schwarzwald being some totally unrelated hills in SW Germany, but it looks like the whole article is written on top of a mistake. The Höllental via ferrata is not known for List, I guess his "Großes Höllental" is somewhere else entirely. --Hurax 09:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read my message to you on my talk page. We could try to improve the Höllental and v. List articles, Großes Höllental should probably be deleted since everything is wrong.--Hurax 07:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Improving the wikipedia-article "Black sun"

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[edit] Rename

As requested, I have renamed you. You can now log in using your new username. Warofdreams talk 23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Translation

Bajuwarian (an ancient tribe) row graves (?), with weapons as burial objects, have been discovered near Freimehring, and in a big grave field called "Bachkramer" between St. Christoph and Steinhöring. From the last one came three decorative disks made of bronze, which are displayed together with other discoveries from the Haag region. Research and collection is not complete yet. For details call Robert Münch at +49-8027-8489. P.S. You should correct the new message link to your talk page, to link to your new username. --Hurax 16:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Swastika

I removed your links on Swastika because the shape is almost definitely accidental; you haven't proved otherwise. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 21:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)