Talk:Roberto Clemente

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[edit] Note to editors

The writer of the article needs to mention the fact Clemente had a wife, Vera, and three sons. Any standard biography of a famous person would note a family, if any.--Susan Nunes 5/06/06

does anyone know how Clemente died?

  1. The article doesn't say anything about Clemente being a Marine, although apparently he was.
  2. What's the deal with Roberto Clemente Walker?

Happy new year, WP! One of my last contribs for 2005. Paul 23:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Surname

I wondered too about the name Roberto Clemente Walker. Some googling found several references to "Roberto Clemente Walker" and several to "Roberto Walker Clemente". I even found, quite unhelpfully, "Roberto (Walker) Clemente". The only place I found even the smallest partial explanation was [1], an Encyclopedia Britanica website: "For 27 years the plaque at the National Baseball Hall of Fame read 'Roberto Walker Clemente,' mistakenly placing his mother's maiden name before his father's surname. Only in 2000 was it changed to its proper Latin American form, Roberto Clemente Walker." So I suppose "Roberto Walker Clemente" follows US (and elsewhere) naming convention while "Roberto Clemente Walker" follows Latin American (or at least Puerto Rican) naming convention. Assuming this to be correct, it still does not explain why he became known as "Roberto Clemente" rather than as "Roberto Walker" to American baseball fans. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.125.99.83 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 14 February 2006.

In Spain as well as Latin America, individuals take their father's last name as well as their mother's last name. Hence Clemente was his father's last name, and Walker was his mother's last name. While having two last names might be confusing it is commonplace in Latin America. One reason you might have seen it as "Roberto Walker Clemente" is likely because MLB or others wanted to avoid confusion of his last name. Hence he takes just his father's last name to blend in, if you will, to a culture where mostly everyone only has one last name. And in Latin American countries, if you were to sort a group of individuals by name, you would use their father's last name, then their mother's, and then their first name. I hope this clears things up. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 07:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I found Roberto Clemente Walker here http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/dreamteam/robertoclemente.html Terinjokes 16:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of siblings dispute

I have reverted two recent edits that attempted to change the number of siblings. The only source I have found thus far stating the number of siblings is http://www.latinosportslegends.com/clemente.htm which states 7. If someone else can find a reputable source with a different number, then by all means please post it here. Thanks -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 07:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I found a site that said that quote "The youngest of four children" This website claims to be te official Roberto Clemente website so they should be reliable. 4 Sibblings Stated

This site claims he is the youngest of 7: http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/chh/bio/clemente_r.htm

Looks like this could be the answer (no source): Roberto was the youngest of Luisa's seven children (three of whom were from a previous marriage).


[edit] Abstract

I have included a short mention of the heroic way this man died in the abstract, as I feel that this is of importance.--R6rome 12:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree; it says a lot about who he was as a person, not just a ballplayer. However, I think the final sentence is best left later in the article. DogcatcherDrew 17:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nationality in Hall of Fame

I'm trying to verify this statement: "He was elected to the Hall of Fame posthumously in 1973 as the first Hispanic American to be selected." This website: http://www.latinosportslegends.com/clemente.htm seems to say he's the first Latino player to be inducted. The statement previously read, "He was elected...in 1973 as the second Hispanic American to be selected (Lefty Gomez being the first in 1972)." The same website (http://www.latinosportslegends.com/lgomez.htm) claims Gomez was the second Hispanic player to be inducted. Gomez was b. in California, but I don't know if his heritage is from Spain or Latin America. Any help clearing this up and adding a citation in the article would be appreciated. DogcatcherDrew 17:58, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

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