Talk:Robert Nairac

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[edit] Comical

This article is beyond a joke, even if we are to accept Eamon Collins account of Nairac's ending in the meat machine (which is the widespread belief around the borderlands anyway). For a guy who disappeared without trace, the extent of knowledge held by one Wikipedia editor about all the treatment he allegedly received is quite impressive. Our omnipresent editor knows, for instance, that Nairac 'was subjected to a succession of exceptionally savage assaults in an attempt to extract information which would have put other lives and future operations at serious risk'. That the mystery of this man is solved here on Wikipedia after 29 years is a truly astounding feat, and I hereby nominate our editor for Wikipedian of the Year award. I'm particularly moved by the strength and courage which Nairac showed in the face of adversity, and we are told that 'These efforts to break Captain Nairac's will failed entirely. Weakened as he was in strength-though not in spirit-by the brutality'- ah yes, how very British of him (Who's writing this: Nick Griffith?) but our omniscient Wikipedia editor continues indicating to us that he knows how many people were in this matter-of-fact room, 'he yet made repeated and spirited (aha ye Gods! that British spirit again!) attempts to escape, but on each occasion was eventually overpowered by the weight of the numbers against him.' All I want to ask now is this: will the writer of this piece kindly present himself to the local crown forces and confess to what is clearly on his conscience? Is mise, El Gringo 06:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you actually bothered to read the article before making snide remarks about it, you would see that the quote is from Nairac's George Cross citation, which is actually available online. So hardly original research "by one Wikipedia editor", is it? Use common sense before making POV comments like this. Oh, and I assume you mean Nick Griffin not Nick Griffith? I wasn't actually aware that the BNP had anything to do with the George Cross! -- Necrothesp 15:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Spotted that the military honor he received says it was his "fourth tour"- anyone any details on that? I will be adding in some details Ken Livingstone gave in his 1987 maiden speech to the Holroyd entry.

Fluffy999 23:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

An interesting source of clarification might be the book Faith and Duty written by Nick Curtis MM. (That's his nom de plume but his Military Medal is real.) Nick worked intelligence in Northern Ireland in the seventies and witnessed Nairac's activities first-hand. His testimony is less than flattering.

Tony G

Awesome, thanks Tony G. Will check it out. Fluffy999 00:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny McAlevey/McErlaine

I've changed the name to McErlaine based on the source I added, Toby Harnden's Bandit Country. However there is an online source that states the name used was McAlevey. Bandit Country was published before the Sunday Mirror article, and I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the Sunday Mirror journalist doesn't have the knowledge or contacts that Harnden does, and a mistake was probably made by the Mirror. Other opinions welcome. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Tag added as we have allegations that Nairac knew killers etc. Absolute BS. Smear job Weggie 14:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is it a smear job to say Nairac knew who his killers were ? the full details of the event were made known, and appeared in the press, when the case went to court. Did the the court not find that the deed had been committed by individuals who were members of the Provisional IRA? Kbservices 18:48, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I think Weggie is talking about this section, to be fair. I don't consider just adding a tag and saying the article is POV is a constructive thing to do though, please at least say what aspects of the article would need changing/improving for it to be NPOV. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Well since you asked 'Robin Jackson' - Clearly a smear. I can't just change articles nowadays as various interest groups will descend and revert so lets discuss shall we Weggie 18:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Can´t see in the article any item that says Nairac "knew killers " and no item that says killer was, or killers included, "Robin Jackson"...Please direct to the relevant item.. Thanks Kbservices 19:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Please don't tar everyone with the same brush Weggie, I've always tried to be fair in my dealings with you. What changes do you think need to be made to the article then please? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Colour me blind, but I can't see anything in the two cited sources (and the Wallace article) that definively links Jackson and Nairac, there's definitely no cite for "Nairac was consistently linked with Robin Jackson". Based on experience of similar situations the conclusion I'm drawing is that Jackson was possibly a security forces informer of some kind, but there's not a single piece of evidence currently cited that Nairac was his handler or involved with him in any way. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 19:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The implication also is that Barron endorses the various claims - does he really? Also, the TV programme is slated Weggie 19:32, 24 March 2007 (UTC)