Talk:Robert M. Parker, Jr.
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I found the article here to be too much of a list of medals and awards. That part would better be presented as a list, and not "fake prose"
Agree. Justinc 16:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Done. WineDrinkerMe 13:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to have been placed by Parker's publicists. I was tempted to mark it for deletion on the grounds of self-promotion or advertising, but I suspect that would be harsh. Anybody want to take a look at a more balanced view? WineDrinkerMe 21:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
In fact the article originated as a cut-and-paste job from Parker's web site, see comments below, hence it was as you say rather self-promoting. It is now much better, more NPOV. Paul Matthews 11:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I attended a Burgundy wine tasting recently and the vintner from France was fuming at various points about Robert Parker and I think he said there had been lawsuits. I searched and found this, but would be interested in more info if anybody has it:
"http://www.datamantic.com/joedressner/pageforward/9/ The Burgundy market has become confused since Robert Parker stopped visiting Burgundy. No one knows if they should believe Pierre Rovani, no one really believes Steve Tanzer other than crazy Burgundy geeks and me, who is Clive Coates anyhow(?), and the Wine Spectator will no doubt review the vintage either 3 months before they are available or 3 to 6 months after they are available. This leaves everyone bewildered. Distributors and merchants will actually have to make decisions unaided by enthusiastic publicity."
and in a Slate article
"http://slate.msn.com/id/2067055/ Parker's grip on the wine world may be starting to loosen, however. It used to be that only the Burgundians, who make minute quantities of highly coveted wines and therefore have little need to placate the press, had the courage not to kowtow to Parker (indeed, he is now a persona non grata in Burgundy and recently handed over coverage of the region to an assistant). But other winemakers are beginning to speak up. Last year, for instance, Parker was publicly slammed by the Mondavis, the first family of American wine. He had alleged, in print, that the Mondavi winery was slipping because it was not fashioning the kind of blockbuster Cabernets that are currently Napa Valley's stock in trade (and that Parker loves). The Mondavis pointedly replied that their aim is to craft elegant, food-friendly wines, not critic bait. More interestingly, the buzz at this year's annual Bordeaux barrel tastings was that several prominent winemakers known for turning out turbocharged wines have now renounced that approach and are embracing a more traditional style that emphasizes finesse over power."
also, information to be found here http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n03/shap01_.html
There have been more attacks recently (although the Burgundy stuff has been going on for a while). A lot of it came to a head after the release of Mondovino. Will try to write something up. Justinc 16:44, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I removed the notice of copywrite infringement and replaced it with a stub page.
I received permision from Mark Braunstein of eRobertParker.com to copy the page http://www.erobertparker.com/info/rparker.html for Wikipedia.
= This is actually a pretty good biography, and very neutral for something from his own site. However, do we have permission to modify it? The influence of Parker's scores on the wine world is perhaps his most important impact, and it is not discussed at all. I would rather have a small article discussing Parker and the effect of scores than a large biography that overlooks that point. Also, the ad at the bottom for erobertparker.com (a fine site that I myself visit a few times a week) seems slighly inappropriate, although as a newbie I don't know what the rules are on that. Wnissen 19:32 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The acknowledgment on the page read:
"The above text was generously provided courtesy of eRobertParker.com, Robert Parker's website. Visit it for online access to a searchable database of wine tastings dating back over a decade."
This really shouldn't be part of the page contents, as it discourages people from updating it, and sounds like an advertisement. --Eloquence 19:18 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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Is there a reason why the immense amount of controversy over (and in some areas, rage about) Parker's influence on the wine industry is only barely touched upon? --Charlene.vickers 03:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
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I agree, the page is too pro Parker, especially the first section which is just lifted from his own website. I may add some more on controversy, as that seems to be the general view? 128.243.220.41 14:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Points system
The section on his ranking system for wines implies that this is a universally accepted standard - living in the UK I've never heard of him until reading this article, let alone his points system for wines. It certainly is not used on store shelves in this country or anywhere else in Europe as far as I know - I don't know enough background to make the edit myself, but strongly suspect this should all be qualified with 'in the USA...' --195.212.29.83 12:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Agree - except I'd suggest in 'in North America... ' as he's popular in Canada too. WineDrinkerMe 13:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Guys, you can edit wikipedia pages you know! I have removed the 'impossible to miss' phrase and inserted 'in North America' as you suggest. Paul Matthews 17:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Yep, well aware I can edit, but if I know that I don't know enough about a subject (I came here, surprisingly enough, because I wanted to know who this 'Parker' guy was, rather than because I'm a domain expert...) then I'll just politely suggest the article may be flawed and move on. And I'm not a big 'wikipedian' - I came back to see how well the 'discussion' process works and I'm impressed, other than by the attitude :) Anyway, cheers for the good work. Maybe some day I'll sign up for a user account...--195.212.29.83 14:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Books
I cleared up the publcity section into a more readable and useful list. If anyone can be bothered to add ISBN's please do! WineDrinkerMe 21:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 81?
In this paragraph:
Because of his powerful influence, his experiences have ranged from having two chateau owners offer him the sexual favours of their daughters to receiving death threats. On one occasion the manager of Chateau Cheval Blanc, Jacques Hebrard, was outraged at Parker's evaluation of his 81 vintage barrel samples and asked Parker to retaste. Upon arriving, Parker was attacked by Hebrard's dog as the manager stood idly by and watched. When Parker asked for a bandage to stop the bleeding from his leg, Parker says Hebrard instead gave him a copy of the offending newsletter. Hebrard denies that Parker was bleeding. (McCoy, pages 159-160)
I can't figure out if the number 81 refers to the year 1981, a wine with a rating of 81, or maybe even (though I doubt it) 81 samples of the said wine. Could someone more knowledgeable than myself clarify this and edit the page accordingly? Thanks.Brian8710 10:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
