Talk:Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption

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Contents 1 Did Dufresne Kill his wife? 2 Dufresne fictional within the context of the story? 3 Cultural reference 4 Count of Monte Cristo 5 Big Difference 6 Apt Pupil 7 It reference

[edit] Did Dufresne Kill his wife?

Removed this last sentence of article:

For example, in the novella, Andy did kill his wife for the insurance money, so that he has not been wrongfully incarcerated in Shawshank.

Not in the text I've read (the UK edition).

This article is based on the MOVIE, not the novella, which differs in many details. In the novella, he admittedly did kill his wife for the money. This creates a rather different situation that is an important difference in the plot of the movie. Perhaps, in republishing, this story has changed bit, but not so much that so many details are different.

Unless somebody's been shifting the talk pages around, this article is about the novella; The Shawshank Redemption is about the movie. And Andy didn't kill his wife in either version. --Paul A 04:10, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's true. In the novella, it's Red who killed his wife for the insurance money. Andy is completely innocent in both versions. (In the movie we don't find out whom Red killed or why.) --Angr 08:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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To clear things up: In both the novella and the film, we find out Andy did not kill anyone and that he is in fact innocent. In the novella Red explains how he kills his wife for insurance money, in the film we only find out he kills someone. This is definitely correct and I could provide several links if necessary.--Sadistic monkey 01:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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I removed the last line:

The preceding plot details pertain mainly to the film version of this story. The actual novella differs in some areas.

because it no longer seems to be true. The story described here is that of the novella, not that of the movie. Perhaps someone fixed the article but forgot to remove this line. --Heron 12:53, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The plot outlined here is the movie plot. It is obvious when reading the differences between the novella and the movie in the shawshank redemption movie article. Bigbadbyte 05:05, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dufresne fictional within the context of the story?

This is my little theory on RHaSR, and it just might be right, but before I post it, I'd like to check others' opinions of it.

My theory is that even within the story, Andy Dufresne does not exist. He is the protagonist of a story written by Red.

This thought came across my mind when I was nearing the end of the story. If I had a copy of the book handy, I'd use the direct quote, but I don't. It was Red talking about finishing a story he calls his own, even though it is also Andy's story. Another quote, near the very end of the story, reaffirmed this concept: "I find I am excited, so excited I can hardly hold the pencil in my trembling hand. I think it is the excitement that only a free man can feel, a free man starting a long journey whose conclusion in uncertain." I looked back through the book, and there are other things, such as the story of a prisoner who made a sculpture while in prison that is currently owned by a governor.

I understand that that's insubstantial evidence. But examine the three other stories in Different Seasons: in the other three, it is undeniable that stories play a large role. In "Apt Pupil", Denker corrupts Todd through his stories of the Holocaust. In "The Body", the story is told by a writer, who is writing about his experience. On a couple occasions during the story, he interjects other stories that he has published. I haven't yet red "The Breathing Method" (I'm going through the stories seasonally), but I've begun it, and it appears to include storytelling in it too.

There's also the fact that King does seem to use the theme of storytelling rather commonly in his works. I think the most obvious example (of King's books that I've read) would probably be The Dark Tower series.

Anyways, give me your thoughts.

I would say that is a very apt insight. Someone should try to find an essay or review of the novella that makes this same point so it could be used in the article, perhaps the beginning of a section devoted to themes, etc. RoyBatty42 18:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

While it is good and well to have your own ideas, unless you have a quote(s) from the author, something like this should not be included in the article.--Sadistic monkey 02:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural reference

This line of discussion is completely unrelated to the above questions, but at one point in the story, when Andy is first discussing with Red where he wishes to go if he gets out of prison, is a small town in Mexico near the Pacific ocean. He states that the people of Mexico "say [the ocean] has no memory." This line is particularly intriguing to me, both from the symbolic and cultural aspects, but I can find no references stating that this is true. King almost always uses bits of cultural truths in his books, but for this I can find no basis in fact.

Please type any knowledge you have on any subjects posted here, and please forgive my posting etiquette, I dearly need a course on it, so if you have any tips, please tell me. Thanks.

[edit] Count of Monte Cristo

I changed the text. I don't really think the novella piece is a modernization of the Count of Monte Cristo--oh, there are some notable similarities, but the fine plot details are a lot different--there's a lot more action in the Count of Monte Cristo. Olin 22:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that entire bit of trivia could be taken out, as the only thing the two have in common is two wrongfully imprisoned men who stage ingenius escapes. I think someone might have put it in there because in the movie, Dufresne gives the book to someone joking "Oh, you'll like it - it's about a prison break." RoyBatty42 18:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Big Difference

It states in this article that Tommy is killed by Norton after he says his story is true. This only happens in the movie. In the novella he gets transferred.

This difference is clearly listed in "Differences between the Book and film" in the film article. --Sadistic monkey 02:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apt Pupil

Doesn't Andy get a mention in this story? --Charlesknight 23:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It reference

Under "Allusions in other works" someone had listed the novel It without citing the specific allusion as the other works have, so I removed it. Guess someone could add a generic "There is also a reference to Shawshank in the novel It."

BTW - Not sure if the word "allusion" is the proper one, if you want to split hairs. An allusion is generally not a direct reference, but something indirectly or implied. RoyBatty42 18:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)