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How many ring tones are not licensed but based on copyrighted work, ie bootleg?

There should be some mention of novelty ringtones like Crazy Frog or Sweety the Chick.

It's just me or is popularity shown twice in the article?

What's the likelyhood that 'ring tone' will become 'ringtone'?

Also could there be discussion about home-made ring tones that one makes themselves on their own computer and transfers to their own phone that they own. Or if such does not exist there could be talk about why not, i.e. a greedy industry that wants to control content and thus profits. When I first started hearing about ring tones I thought of all the cool clips of independent, non-radio bands that I could put on a phone if I ever got that type. But judging from the article here, it doesn't look like we are able to control the content of the phones we own.

[edit] "90-volt 20-hertz AC wave" ?

I'm guessing the "90-volt 20-hertz AC wave" refers to POTS in the US only, right? If so, I think this should be mentioned in the article.

82.83.12.214 18:04, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Hi! I semi-reverted your linkspam removal edit to the ringtones article. There was a definitely linkspam item there that you removed that I kept deleted. You accidentally broke a link to the Ringtones & the Music Industry and I fixed that. I did restore the two links that link directly to ringtone MP3 files. They are legit and not linkspam. They are, in fact, quite useful, I think! Thanks! See you around! --AStanhope 20:27, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to remove the following two links from Ring tone:
  • forty fivemovie.com/mp3/lamisc/ringtones/phone_ring_2x.mp3
  • fortyfivemo vie.com/mp3/lamisc/ringtones/euroring.mp3
These should not be included in the external links section. Please see WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. Image:Monkeyman.pngMonkeyman(talk) 20:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry - these are totally non-commercial and totally useful. This isn't a simple repository or mirror... They are links to something that can actually be used. I am restoring them. --AStanhope 20:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • OK. What is your objection to the inclusion of those two links? You called them linkspam originally. I don't blame you for deleting them the first time. You can certainly see now, however, that they aren't linkspam. I think they should stay. --AStanhope 20:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Ah, first sorry for my somewhat impolite behavior. Spam removal and external link pruning is the main thing I do at Wikipedia. Sometimes it comes across as a bit blunt. My argument for removing these links is primarly Wikipedia policy WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files. My main concern by allowing these two mp3 links is opening a door we don't want to. At what point will the line be drawn for these ringtones? Can anyone submit any ringtone they want? What if the list grows to 10 mp3 links, or one hundred? Should we allow all of them? Besides being against policy, this is setting the stage for a fair amount of abuse. Image:Monkeyman.pngMonkeyman(talk) 21:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for writing back. I see that you are dealing with linkspam and I know that it's important. I'm glad that you're doing it! OK. I've carefully read the Wikipedia is not a mirror section and its intent has nothing to do with the situation here. If we took the ringtones in question and uploaded them into the Wikipedia media space THAT would be something those rules address. Since we're simply pointing to content that is stored elsewhere there shouldn't be concerns here. I am wary of the Slippery Slope argument. Indeed, if we allow External Links at all what's to prevent the external link section from growing into 10,000 links!? I think that as a community we do very well policing External Link sections and I dare say that somehow we'd find a way to stop the external link section here from getting out of hand long before it grew to 100 links... *** Let me quickly tell you about these files. I recently got a phone that allowed me to add my own ringtones manually (without having to use a paid or commercial ringtone service). I had no idea how to go about this or really, precisely, what ringtones were all about. I read a great deal over the course of a weekend - including this article - and eventually set out to look for some tones. It is very, very difficult to find an example of a ringtone that you can bring to your desktop without paying for it. I stumbled upon a page by a private individual that described a similar set of circumstances and he/she made the fruit of their research - these two tones (along with a number of others) - available for anyone else who came behind them. I downloaded them and used them and couldn't be happier. I think they round out this article quite well and also think that future readers could benefit from their presence as well. What does a ringtone sound like? What file format do they come in? Here are two excellent examples. --AStanhope 23:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Those hardly reflect the obnoxious nature of ring tones (see Crazy Frog) most people associate them with, their classification strikes me as rather POV, too, they don't really scream 'European' or 'American' to me. If you could just include one and label it "Example of how a vintage analog phone sound can be used as a ring tone", or something similar, I'm confident it would fit in perfectly :) Obli (Talk)? 23:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Cool. Good suggestion. I'll run with it! --AStanhope 02:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

I think we should consolidate the articles ring tone, ring (telephone), and ringing signal. They all discuss the same thing: What happens when a telephone receives an incoming call. I don't see any benefit to keeping them separate. Comments? Objections? --DragonHawk 19:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I believe ring tone should as a stay separate article. Due to internet music piracy, ring tones have become an important revenue to record companies, making them newsworthy and a part of popular culture. - GilliamJF 23:29, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the information is should stay, I'm just advocating merging the articles. They're all about the same thing, more or less. At most, there should be one article on how telephone equipment signals an incoming call, and one article on the specific subject of the customizable sounds available for some telephones. (I'm deliberately avoiding using existing article names, party to make my point, and party to avoid favoring any existing article.) --DragonHawk 19:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I think that Polyphonic Ringtone also ought to be merged with this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.233.110.65 (talk • contribs).
Agreed. I just added/adjusted merge tags as appropriate. Does anyone have any additional comments? I'm especially interested in the topic of the customizable sounds available for some telephones being in a separate article vs just one article. Is there anything like a concensus here? --DragonHawk 04:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge - There's no reason for seperate types of ringtones to have their own articles. -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 16:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge all. No need for separate articles. Kafziel Talk 16:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge — no need for separate articles. --Charles Gaudette 22:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep but clarify  :
-Ring (telephone) - Cover the verb "to ring", Brief description, including fact that phones can use silent ring - eg vibrate or flash, plus links to the other two articles.
-Ring tone - Cover the actual sound made by phones that don't use a ring cadence
-Ringing signal - Cover the electric signal (for POTS) or digital protocol that causes a telephone to trigger a ring, and possibly diagrams of the electronic circuits that allow the signalling.
--Ozhiker 23:19, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - I just added Mobile music to the discussion. There is an emerging ring tone art form that includes composing original ring tone material exclusively for cell phones. (see this article). You may wish to consider in your discussion whether mobile music as an art form deserves is a topic that deserves its own article or may be a subtopic in another article. -- Jreferee 19:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Ringtone maker also addresses the subject of ringtone composition. Perhaps it should be added to the discussion as well. Stebbins 03:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
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