Talk:Righteous Among the Nations
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[edit] 'Ger tzedek' - no relationship to this article
- the word ger can denote either ... or a non-Jewish inhabitant of the Land of Israel who observes the seven Noahide Laws ...
- non-Jews have to follow the broader ethical principles contained in the Noahide Laws ...
Sometimes when we know the subject inside and out we forget to allow for the point of view of the reader who is sort of blundering around in the dark armed with only one or two clues and could perhaps use a helpful suggestion. Or ignore it if it is not helpful. That's where see also can be handy.Gzuckier 15:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Specific honorees?
Perhaps a list of prominent honorees (and/or those already on wikipedia) could be added? I came across the article on the rescue of the Danish Jews and dropped in a link to it here - there must be many more stories like this and hopefully even some already on wikipedia. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd appreciate the links, but I wouldn't know where to begin looking, nor how such a list would best be integrated
- I'm cross-posting this from Talk:List of people who assisted Jews during the Holocaust because I didn't get an answer there. I thought maybe someone here might know. I don't mean to be nitpicky, or start a heated argument, but doesn't the title of that article exclude jews who assisted other jews during the holocaust from being considered people? Nor is it a list anyone who held a door open for a jew during the holocaust, so "assisted" might be a bit of an understatement. I understand that Righteous Among the Nations is an honorary title which may not apply to everyone on this list. Would simply "Righteous Gentiles" would be an acceptable term? -- TheMightyQuill 15:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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- Somehow I missed this thread. I've created List of Righteous Among the Nations by country. Please fill it, and if some sections become too full, we may spin them off into something like Dutch Righteous Among the Nations, Polish Righteous Among the Nations, etc. ←Humus sapiens ну? 02:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Budapest Memorial
Holocaust Memorial Budapest
Regarding this Place: Testimonies from the family Jakobovics in newspapers 1947
http://www.spacetime-sensor.de/wallenberg.htm
people who assisted
[edit] Tzedekei/Hasidei Umot Ha-Olam
The article as it currently stands is misleading. To the vast majority of English speakers who are aware of the circumstanmces, Tzedekei/Hasidei Umot Ha-Olam refers to observant Noahides, and those Noahides who have taken the Noahide oath before a Beth Din as did Sheikh Palazzi in Israel earlier this year. This is the historical and current meaning of the phrase, and the meaning adopted by the secular state of Israel in the 1960s is a secondary meaning which was inspired by the fact that Hasidei Umot Ha-Olam who took an oath before a Beth din while the Yoveil was in force became known as Ger Toshavim, so the Israeli authorities initiated their practice as a continuation of this, but it has not displaced the orthodox meaning. No doubt all those the state has declared to be Righteous among ther nations were indeed probably also Tzedekei/Hasidei Umot Ha-Olam according to the orthodox criteria, but it must be acknowledged that the secular award of this title is secondary in meaning.
[edit] "Saved" is not a Jewish concept
The concept of being "saved" is not a Jewish concept. It is more simple than this: every person's good actions are rewarded and their negative actions are punished. I don't know what exactly the concept of needing salvation means, but it sounds like if one is not saved, he does not go to Heaven. In the Jewish viewpoint, it's not an all or nothing thing. Therefore, I would change the places in this article where "salvation" or being "saved" are mentioned, to being rewarded (in this world and/or the next world, i.e. Heaven). Otherwise, very informative article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.46.65.106 (talk • contribs).
- In case it is not clear, we need to clarify that this is not about salvation as a spiritual/religious concept, but rather simply helping someone phisycally survive during the time of genocide. ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] split
I think the topic in Jewish theology/philosophy should be discussed separately from the application as a title wrt the Holocaust. dab (ᛏ) 08:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Adding of false information by Rudidas
Rudidas, you're edits to the Righteous Among the Nations-article are not supported by sources, in fact your edits are contradicted by a number of sources, including the own website of Righteous Among the Nations organisation.
In this statistical link it can clearly be seen that the numbers for the Czech Republic and Latvia aren't 500 and 400, but 105 and 100 instead. Please stop altering the numbers, continuing to change the numbers of facts like these is considered vandalism and will result in a block. Rex 15:31, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
