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Moustafaa, The word " Rif " is not derived from the Arabic word " er Rif ", it is just the same name in the both two languages ( Berber language and arabic ), But they doesn't have the same meaning. The rif is also broader than the regio of the Berber-Rifains. but the name is still used to indicate the Berbers of of north Morocco. I saw that There are also Rifains in Algerie, can you give more informations ! ( my thanks ). Akzennay 13:55, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- OK - I'll take your word for it. What does "Arif" mean in Berber? There are a few Rifains in Algeria, but I haven't been able to find out too much about them yet; apparently, some of them are original and some of them immigrated in the early 1900s. I'll see if I can find any more information. Welcome to Wikipedia, by the way! There's at least one other Berber here, User:Agurzil. - Mustafaa 02:27, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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- Hé, Mustafaa, nice from you, but I'm the ex-user " Aziri ", I don't remember my Password, so I use an other username. The mening of the word " Rif " is according to me unknown, like as the name of the other Moroccan mounatain " Atlas " ( some scholars claims to be an Greek word, but Herodotus considered it as a Berber / (ancient) Libyan tribe's name (I suppose )( I asked a Greek girl about the mening of Atlas in the Greek language and she had no answer for it ). but the frensh wikipedia give a mening for it [1]. I believe that The word " Rif " is used in the pre-arabic time by the Romains who called it " Rippa " because the letter " F " became a " P " in Latin ( Dutch and Arabic). The rif were an imporant region in North Afrika ( Tangier, Tetouan, Ceuta belong to the Rif ).
- We call them " Arif " in the berber language ( here: Tarifit ), this form is typical berber word like as " Amazigh ", both of them begin with the letter " A " ( typical male's form in the berber language versus T+ .. +T for the female's form ), and the word " Rif " as in arabic " countryside " is even not used in Morocco as spoken language. It doesn't exist in the spoken Moroccan languages ( Moroccan arabic and other berber language ).
- Some Riffains claim there is a resemblance to the name of the Canarian island " Tenerife ": Ten +( also used in other berber cities-names ) Rife. ( but those are just claims ), I noted also that the name of the Ghomara-tribe in the Rif exist as name of an island's name in the Canary Islands: Gomera [2](( This is just my own opinion) Canary was probably a Berber tribe English )).Akzennay 12:47, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Rif (or Arif) is a Semitic word. Arif contains the exact Arabic conjugation of the word al-Rif which becomes in Arabic Arif. If Arif was used in pre-Arab times in North Africa then there are 2 possibilities. First possibility is that it was a Phonecian word yet if it predates the Phonecian a second possibility is that it is a Amazigh word and that the Amazigh are distant relatives of the Semitic peoples. Many linguistic scientists place Amazigh language as being Semitic or at least "closely related". Remember, many Berber tribes concider themselves of South Arabian Hamito-Semitic origin. Some belittle the Berber accuracy on history stating that they only assimilated their history with the Arabs yet that usually comes from those who do not know the intricate Amazigh tribal system and independence throughout history. Amazigh traditional historians are not to be ignored, because after dna tests / linguistic studies it seems the scientists return to the same theory of the Berber-South Arabian (Hamito-Semitic) connection as well as Ancient Berber control over much of the Iberian Peninnsula as well as the British Isles.
It has already been prooved that the Iberian Arabian Peninsula was the homeland of the Berbers, and after it has been colonized by the Arabs, the Berbers immigrated unsuccessfully to North-Africa.
Hi, would anyone care to talk about the products of agriculture in the Rif? The Real Walrus 23:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Someone has an overexagerated obsession for the 'kif' posted two links about the "kif-agriculture". Enjoy them!
One point not mentioned is that the Rif Mountains are not actually part of the Atlas mountains. It would be nice if this was mentioned & that the geographical photo/map label Rif Mountains seperate from the Atlas Mountains. Mazighe
