Talk:Rick Joyner
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November 2006 - Rick Joyner was in my home in 1972 and from that day to this I know of no stain against his name. If people do not agree, that is a valid opinion, but it is only opinion. Truth must be based on something more substantial. If Rick's teaching or behavior does not suit - go to church elsewhere - it is that simple.
Furthermore, one man's cult is another man's established religion. In China if you practice Christianity outside of State-imposed guidelines, you can be jailed, tortured, or worse. There is some good advice in the Bible on this topic. Gamaliel, a well-known Jewish teacher said that if someone was up-and-up, he (or she) would endure, and if not, they would quickly evaporate from the scene. Always give truth time to validate itself one way or the other. By Headguerilla.
Rick Joyner's church has yet again changed its name, this time to "Every Nation". I would suggest we need to make more of a comment about the cult accusations surrounding this 'movement'. --144.138.162.221 03:09, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- An encyclopedia article should be unbiased, but I agree a mention of the cult accusations could be acceptable in this case. Does anyone know about this enough to add something to the article? Malachi456 03:23, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Rick Joyner did not change the name of his church. Another group located in Nashville called Morning Star changed its name to Every Nation so it would not be confused with Morningstar under Joyner.
Yes, Rick Joyner's ministry is still called Morningstar - this is his website [2] Malachi456 02:40, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps the reference to the "cult group" founded by Rick Joyner in the 1970's would look a little bit less suspicious if a citation were given. Barring that, I think that this might be a warning sign for a neutrality disupte.
i was a member of a church that split because the new pastor only taught out of books by joyner. i don't trust him because he focuses far to much on his own revelation and not enough on the focus of christianity.. the bible. --- focus_on_time
- Hi focus ... Actually, the reason Joyner has given for opening his own publishing company was because most mainstream publishing houses would not let him insert as much scripture into his book as he wished to. If you read his books & articles you will see that they are FILLED with scriptural references that back up his revelations and teachings. He also teaches that no revelation can contradict scripture.
I agree. Unless there is any evidence it is quite an allegation to say that a mainstream church leader ran a cultic group. As suggested I have put up a neutrality warning sign
Ah, "neutrality disputed" seems a little tricky, when we are discussing issues involving Christian ministry, where belief systems must come into play. Do we think there can be neutral ground?
There are people who will be pro and anti all Christian ministries, and I think it is acceptable to present these arguments if they are prefaced with "Critics say..." or "Followers claim..." etc, and still have an article with a NPOV. Malachi456 09:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
- Cite your sources, attribute your statements, and I think you will be ok. Even if a particular Christian disagrees with a particular doctrinal statement (God is X, Joyner is Y), they would be hard pressed to disagree with a bracketed statement (Tom Brokaw says "God is X",Time magazine says, "Joyner is Y"). Citing sources and attributing statements makes controversial statements more neutral. This from me, someone who knows almost nothing about Joyner. MPS 22:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
There are two problems that people have with Rick.
1) He is part of the christian prophetic movement, which by its nature is wonky theology for many christian denominations
The prophetic movement went through some real tough times in the 80s, but (to my knowledge) Rick is one of the key members who has never become embroiled in anything close to scandal.
2) He preaches against "watchman ministries" and christian cult watchers.
Because of this, those two groups say he is against discernment. This is not true, he is very pro-discernment, but he teaches that christians shouldn't be focused on darkness. I could go into more detail, but suffice it to say, the accusation is made by people who feel they are doing a very important job and he attacks it.
To a Protestant, Catholicsm is anti-christ. To a Catholic, Protestants are a corruption of the One True Church. Thats the kind of thing thats going on here, accusations of "cult" have no basis in fact. 70.52.110.58 14:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dialogue
Hi! I am from an evangelical type denomination in which many members would probably be sceptical of Joyner (if they were even aware of him), but I am currently reading The Vision (consisting of The Final Quest and The Call), and finding it a blessing. I would be interested in dialoguing with someone who is informed regarding the issues, and a supporter of Joyner. If anyone would like to chat, please email me or reply on my talk page. Cheers, Colin MacLaurin 13:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
