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Contents 1 Organization and Jargon? 2 Article Size, Layout, & Redundant Text 3 The Quotes 4 Why is this under controversy? 5 Title Reigns 6 WCW reigns 7 Ric Flair's best friend 8 Championships 9 Wooooo? 10 The Four Horsemen 11 Personal Info? 12 Back Body Drop 13 Ric Flair Finance? 14 Controversy section 15 GEICO Parody 16 What Happened? 17 Recent Apperance 18 personal information 18.1 Rec.sport.pro-wrestling 19 World titles 20 NWA World Title 21 Flair's Illegal roll-ups

[edit] Organization and Jargon?

This article seems to have a great number of problems to me. The first is that the opening section on the NWA just seems to jump ritght into the middle of Flair's career. I don't feel that how Flair became a professional wrestler is explained well at all.

Also this article is flooded with all kinds of wrestling jargon. It doesn't assume at all that a non wrestling fan would be able to coherently understand the information given talking about going 'face', kayfabes, and various other wrestling-only terms. Further, there are several sections where it talks about second-to-most-recent-face-turns which only make the article harder to understand.

Much of Flair's career seems to be glossed over, until you hit the late 90's. Then sections become little more than dates and the outcomes of the pay-per-views he participated in.

This section is in desperate need of revisionCapoCastillo

I say the main picture be that of his mug shot courtesy of snopes. Bob

Why isn't his arrest warrant isn't mentioned?!

Wikipedia is not an up-to-date news site. Wikinews however, is. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a current event on Ric Flair's page since his news is changing almost daily with his arrest and almost certainty trail? J. C.

Nope. The creator of the tag states the following on Template talk:Current:

It was not intended for general use over the span of weeks or months for a long-term, ongoing event that would experience little editing during the event

Considering the limited media coverage about the event, it looks like that the edits regarding the event would be infrequent at best. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt there any mention of the plane crash?

Ric Flair voluntarily gave up his WCW World Heavyweight Championship in May 1994, due to the "double-pin" finish in his Spring Stampede match with Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. He later won back the title in a match vs. Steamboat on WCW Saturday Night, which aired on May 14, 1994. Therefore, somebody should correct the title wins and losses grid at the bottom of the page. Also, this officially makes Flair a seventeen time champ instead of sixteen.

[edit] Article Size, Layout, & Redundant Text

I have attempted to fix these problems, but someone seems to think that this article is their personal pet project, and that they have veto power on any edits that are made. - Chadbryant 01:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox or your college term paper. You are going to run into others with dissenting opinions and -- as this is an open forum available for edit by anyone -- you are going to find yourself being corrected, replaced, or reverted as a result. Please do not try to use this article (or any others) as your own; it simply would not do to have one person trying to 'take over' an article like that. If you wish to dispute the changes that are made, then do so via this talk page (and show good reason for your arguement) or leave a message on their talk page requesting an explanation. From looking at your history on Wikipedia, you have had problems of this nature in the past. Please try to avoid them in the future, as this would benefit both yourself and everyone else on Wikipedia. Thank you. Tehawk 05:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

If you are referring to how I reversed your reversal it's pretty simple. I had just spent time cleaning up several sections and you reverted them (and made other changes, which might have been good). Like you said, "someone seems to think that this article is their personal pet project, and that they have veto power on any edits that are made."

↪Lakes (Talk) 10:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

The only reverts on my part were after you had reverted my edits - as it stands now, the article is still quite large, and has several instances of redundant text and a few areas that could stand for some tidying up (as I did). - Chadbryant 12:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

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↪Lakes (Talk) 12:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

"He was arrested in 2004 on a child sex charge." Maybe I'm missing something, but it's not clear who the "he" is being referred to. It's at the bottom of the "World Championship Wrestling (1986-1991)" Section69.1.116.33 18:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Sara

[edit] The Quotes

Should the quotes be moved to wikiquote in order to cut down on article size? That seems to be the general practice on other pages. 207.6.31.119 09:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I don't think "Suck It" has ever left Ric's mouth when it comes to wrestling at least, which I thought was funny.

[edit] Why is this under controversy?

"On the March 2, 2006 edition of Mick Foley's WWE.com blog "Foley is Blog," Foley mentioned that while recently sitting next to Flair on an airplane, Flair told him that he will probably run for North Carolina governor in the next election. These plans are unconfirmed by Flair himself. This also hints that a long time off-sceen feud with Foley may be over." Jman5 06:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

If he is a Helms supporter, I hope that is just a rumour.(Halbared 14:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Title Reigns

Something really needs to be done about the number of world title reigns listed for Flair all over Wikipedia. I've seen some ridiculous numbers like 25 used, and the exact number changes based on the page. From what i've been able to gather he is either a 19 or 21 time champion(depending on whether the WCW International title should count) since according to the NWA he is a 10 time NWA Champion, he is also a 7 time WCW World champion and 2 time WWF/E Champion for a total of 19(plus his 2 WCW International Titles). Here is a good history of the NWA World Title: http://www.wrestling-titles.com/nwa/world/nwa-h.html TJ Spyke 22:17, 9 March 2006 (ET)

It's 20 times world champion, with 10 NWA, 2 WWF and 8 WCW (not 7). 13:41, 08 september 2006

[edit] WCW reigns

Why is the line "3 of these reigns are in question" still on this page. For the record WWE considers Flair a 6 time WCW champ. They do not recognize the heldup match against Steamboat, and they consider Flairs first title reign when he was also NWA champ, as a NWA reign.

WWE also doesn't recognize Bob Backlund losing the title to Antonio Inoki, we don't always go by the "official" stance. TJ Spyke 04:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ric Flair's best friend

For a while, it was said that Arn Anderson was Flair's best friend. I always took this to be something more than Kayfabe. But now days they say that Flair's best friend is Triple H. I'd hate to think that Arn got the kicked to the curb cause Triple H has more clout.

I though arn was dead? Im sure It mentioned this in eddie gurerro's book. SKRIBUL 20:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit late, but Arn just appeared on Raw, so he's alive. Best friend may be overstating it, but they are good friends. HHH and Flair being (ex)friends is purely kayfabe. Arn is currently a road agent for the RAW brand. Arn stopped wrestling because of an arm injury that left him where he could barely move it AT ALL, so he couldn't do his Spinebuster finisher for years. THL 10:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Championships

Okay - something needs to be done with the Championships section. I know some people from WikiProject Professional Wrestling like the format that's being used, but face it - doing that doesn't look good and takes up way too much room. Right now, Flair's Championships section takes up about 16 KB, which is over 25% of the article's current size. All accomplishments should be mentioned naturally as prose in his career section. --Jtalledo (talk) 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur, it neds to be squashed down.(Halbared 09:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

the man has held a so many title its gonna take up room no matter what

No, not really. What was taking up so much space was that all of his title reigns, with each title he won, was listed seperately with where he won it, who he won it from, where he won it, how long he held it, where he lost it, and who he lost it to. All that info is interesting, but ultimately not necessary. For instance, just say off the top of my head, since he was a two time WWF/E Champion, then that's all the info that's really needed. Odin's Beard 23:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A similar debate is taking place regarding the title history for Triple H. Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and painstaking detail regarding when a wrestling performer scored fictional wins for fictional titles isn't encyclopedic. It would be equivalent to listing to the day how long Marlena was possessed by Satan on Days Of Our Lives. - Chadbryant 00:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wooooo?

"In a tradition started by the vocal fans of Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW) during a time when the WCW management was thought to be unjustly holding Flair down, anytime a wrestler delivers a hard back hand chop to the chest of his opponent, fans yell "Wooo!" in tribute to Flair, whose stiff chops often made his opponent's chest raw or even bloody. This tradition long outlived any controversy it was meant to protest and has carried over to WWE and almost all other North American promotions. The chant has since become a tribute to Flair instead of the original condintation of being a mockery of Flair."

To me, this paragraph doesn't make sense. It begins by saying that the tradition started out as a tribute while he was being held down by WCW, and then goes onto to say that it eventually became a tribute whereas the original intention was to mock him. Was it started as a tribute to him while he was being held down or was it started as a mockery? 82.35.191.95 20:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment here, but moreover the contradictory and sparse attention to details. The article reads like a disorganized litany of dates and the details seem glossed over [such as his AWA career]. This article needs to be restarted from the ground upCapoCastillo

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!! --66.218.28.217 03:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone (maybe someone with some insider information) explain why he still wrestles, when most guy are retired before they hit 40? Does he do it for the money, or is he just unable to remove himself from the spotlight? I think its more the latter, he has built up such a persona that I'll bet it would be hard for him to stop. I think there should be more of a point made about his longevity, in light of all of the injuries in pro wrestling.

Ric Flair, much like Hulk Hogan is one of the few wrestlers that have made an indelible mark on the wrestling profession by his charisma and accomplishments. Having him in active competition continues his reputation as still being able to do well. It also makes performances from comebacks and occasional matches much more credible.His prescene helps other wrestlers that are relatively inexperienced to make their own mark and continued fan support means the WWE won't fire him. And he doesn't want to leave because not only is it great income and he loves the job, but it also allows him to maintain friendships among other things.--211.28.125.161 10:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me or does he look drunk most of the time? I've heard that he has a problem with Alchohol, which the article backs up. Do my thoughts have any merit? Straightxedger 02:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Since the death of Eddie Guerrero, WWE has instituted a wellness program, and have recently suspended several wrestlers for drug problems. So if Ric Flair still has an alcohal issue, he wouldn't be wrestling on TV.Vinnyxvincent 00:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Fans were chanting "Wooo" for the chop long before ECW started. Also, more and more people are wrestling later. Flair still wrestles because he enjoys it, why else would he put up with stuff like being Triple H's lackey for such a long time? TJ Spyke 04:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Fans like Ric Flair still and he does well with creating heels. See his new one, Kenny Dykstra. He is still an efficient wrestler but having to watch his saggy over tanned body bounce around the ring doing very simple moves is getting old as is he. His time has come to be put on Heat or something.

[edit] The Four Horsemen

I believe that more information should be provided on the Four Horsemen. Whilst there is a separate article, I feel that you could provide a quick summary or at the very least links to that article. It was an important group in Flair's career. --Rev. James Triggs 10:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Info?

It seems to me that the personal info should go before his career in AWA, in the very least regards to the information regarding his birth and adoption. since this article is essentially autobiographical, it'd make sense to place this info at the beginning of the article, not the end. Also, i'd like to reassert that his AWA career as well as any info about Ric trying to break into the wrestling business is glossed over or just taken as a matter of assumption. CapoCastillo 21:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal info always goes at the end of wrestlers articles. TJ Spyke 06:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Back Body Drop

Is there any way to integrate into this article that the poor man can't take a Back Body Drop correctly to save his life? Couldn't in the 80's, and can't today. It's a miracle he doesn't land badly each and every time. JPG-GR

The reason he does that is to protect one of his shoulders which has been injured several times.

he hasnt been able to take anyhting correctly since he hurt his back. itas a miracle he wrestled again let alone in to his late 50's.24.128.202.124 20:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Could the "Ring Names" section at least add the first Ring name he used? Any real flair fan knows he started wrestling under the name "Son of Satan" or "satan's Son" One would think that with only 3 names to put in the section, that all 3 would be listed. Just goes to show how WWF/E heavy this article is.

[edit] Ric Flair Finance?

http://www.ricflairfinance.com/

Does anyone have any information about this? According to a friend, it's done by Flair himself and his friend, but I was wondering if anyone knew anything else. --Sakaki22 16:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow I bet no-one buys that... exept fans trying to get to see him SKRIBUL 20:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy section

I've tagged the controversy section with {{verify}} and {{unreferenced}}. If citations aren't provided for this material, it can be deleted at any time as per WP:BLP. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GEICO Parody

There's a humorous parody of a GEICO commercial that can be found here that features Ric Flair alongside the owner of the Carolina Hurricanes. I was going to add it somewhere in the main article, but couldn't figure out where it would best fit. Peter Karmanos and Ric Flair Any help would be appreciated. vDub 17:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What Happened?

What happened to this entire page? Somebody completely through all organization out the window for Ric Flair's Wikipedia page!

What the hell happened to his page...some one fix it.iv tried and havnt made any progress.

December 3,2006 I just recently went on to Ric Flair's page on wikipedia. ALL NFORMATION on the AWA, WCW, World class championship wrestling has been deleted. It just starts off with his first debut. Some moronic idiot with nothing to do has done it, can someone please fix it?

No one has to notify us about vandalism. Countless people, my self included, are notified of any edits made to this page through our watchlists. I appreciate your attempts, but they really aren't necessary. To learn how to fix these things yourself, see WP:RV. Cheers, -- THLR^CCD 03:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Apperance

I know its a work and all, but did anyone see him tonight? Looked like someone had been doing surgery on his face with a damn belt sander.

Uhm, I don't think that's surgery, dude. Ever see the forehead of Dusty Rhodes? Ric Flair, widely known for being a profuse "bleeder" in pro wrestling, has probably gained a fair amount of "blading" scars in his 30+ year career in the ring. Srosenow 98 06:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] personal information

At the end of the personal information, there is a paragraph about Ric Flair marrying Hickenbottom. I cannot find it in the editing section. Is it hidden? Is there anyone who can find it and correct it?Nomarko 18:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rec.sport.pro-wrestling

I removed this info because it's basically just something voted on by people in a fan forum. It's nothing more than fan opinions. Odin's Beard 00:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not remove 50% of what is written in The Legacy section as well since it was obviously written by some Fanboy; this quote right here "Flair is still able to step in the ring with younger wrestlers and make them stars." doesn't sound NPOV to me, since the quote is highly questionable, Shelton Benjamin, Nitro, and Kenny are still in the same position before they worked with Flair. Also that section about Flair and Douglas; Unless some one knows something I don't, I didn't think the whole "Whoooo" Chant made famous by the ECW Fans was done out of protest; as more to do with just ribbing the guy for using a Trademark Move made famous by Flair; trust me, if the ECW Fans were protesting that move, they would have said alot more then "Whoooo" more like "Fuck You Flair" or "Fuck Flair". As far as the heat between Flair and Douglas; again, unless some one knows something I don't, the whole heat between Flair and Douglas, coming from Douglas mouth was because one night Douglas asked Flair to watch his match, and give some Critism, when Douglas returned, and asked Flair what he thought about a move Douglas didn't even use in his match, Flair replied "I loved it kid."; Douglas was pissed because it was obvious to Douglas that Flair didn't bother to watch his match; or give two shits about The Younger Talent. The whole keeping Guys down, and getting bury sounds more like the heat Douglas had with The Kliq in the WWF.

[edit] World titles

I've changed this sentence in the Legacy section;

Although some controversy still surrounds this, Ric Flair still holds the record of the most World Heavyweight Championships held by an individual in professional wrestling, next to Jerry "The King" Lawler.

It didn't make sense. If Flair held the record, he wouldn't be "next to Jerry". Also Lawler's title wins weren't for a recognised world title, so there's no point mentioning him. One Night In Hackney 12:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NWA World Title

While it's true that various sources dispute the number of NWA World Title reigns Ric Flair has. The views of World Wrestling Entertainment, various wrestling publications, or fans themselves are irrelevant. The National Wrestling Alliance Rick Flair as a 9 time NWA World Heavyweight Champion so that's what should be reported in the article. The title is the property of the National Wrestling Alliance and the NWA's interpretation of its championships and their lineages supercedes that of all others.Odin's Beard 17:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this the site you are rerfering to?http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=2 Because it say's Flair is 10 timeHalbared 20:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

On the official NWA site Flair is titled as a 10 time champion. It states that Recognition dropped by NWA in 93/09 after WCW withdraws from NWA; WCW continues to recognize "WCW International" World Heavyweight title with Flair as the champion This does not state that recognition of that reign is rescinded, if this was the case, then Flair would not be totalled as a 10 time champ on that page, but as a 9 time, with an amendment that his last reign was revoked. This is not the case though, his reign still stands as official on the history but it ends with the withdrawl of championship status from Flair in september, giving him a reign that lasted until then. This is de facto on the page.Halbared 08:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flair's Illegal roll-ups

Why is it that the illegal roll-ups KEEP getting removed. They are certainly at least signature moves of Flair's, tied heavily in with his "Dirtiest Player in the Game" persona, though I think they should be listed as finishers. Quite frankly, he wins more with illegal roll-ups currently than the figure four. The user that keeps taking them off says that the roll-ups are the equivalent of a lateral press, but I think that notion is silly. Roll-ups are actual wrestling takedowns, thus actual wrestling moves and not just the manner in which a wrestler pins his opponents. 70.130.228.165 22:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm the person who keeps removing them. Well, this guy knows how I feel. How does everyone else feel? I'll leave it in there until we get some more input. 声援 -- The Hybrid 22:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

A roll-up is a generic-type move, and no, if you watch most of the matches that span his career he wins more often with the figure four than an illegal roll-up. Bmg916^{Speak to Me} 17:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)