Talk:Rhodie
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I added the proposed deletion tag per Wikipedia Official Policy:
- Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. Primary (original) research such as proposing theories and solutions, original ideas, defining terms, coining new words, etc. If you have done primary research on a topic, publish your results in other venues such as peer-reviewed journals, other printed forms, or respected online sites, and Wikipedia will report about your work once it becomes part of accepted knowledge
The only other place online that I could find 'Rhodie' was http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rhodie which allows any user to freely define slang terms.
This appears to be an arbitrary definition. It is not on dictionary.com, nor on www.m-w.com, Merriam-Webster's dictionary.
There are no sources, and the page has nothing linking to it.
Verloren Hoop 00:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Object The term "Rhodie" is widely used and there are numerous references to it in newspapers and books. I have added one such reference to the article and will add a few more when I have a chance. I have also added Rhodie to the category "English phrases". Bob BScar23625 08:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
- Great, thanks :) I'd like to know where you found it, since I couldn't. Verloren Hoop 05:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Verloren. The term "Rhodie" is mainly used in Commonwealth countries, where familiarity with the UDI era in Rhodesia is greater than in the US. If you go to the website of most quality British newspapers and key in a search on the word Rhodie, it will throw up at least a dozen references. I will remove the proposed delete tag from the article. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 06:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] note to User 150.204.218.17
You have placed a tab on the article indicating a lack of internal links to other articles in Wikipedia. I count 5 such links - Rhodesia, Zimbabwe, Whites in Zimbabwe, UDI and Ian Smith. Surely that is sufficient for such a short article?. Unless you object, I will remove your tab after 24 hours. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 16:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
ps : looking at the article again, I can see another 3 links - colloquial, Cape Town and South African; for sure, that is 8 in total which is plenty; I have removed your tab BScar23625 17:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
The template is for articles that have internal links to this one. If you check here [1], you'll see that only the article creator's user page links here. Nothing in the actual encyclopedia. The wording in the template is perhaps a little ambiguous, but that is what the template is for.
Nice work on articles about Rhodesia and Zimbabwe, by the way. I find it fascinating that such a place existed. Bnynms 00:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I understand and have added links from Rhodesia and Whites in Zimbabwe. Rhodies is a fascinating subject in its own right. You might have got me started. regards. Bob BScar23625 06:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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I removed it, for a number of reasons. It gives a slanted view of the situation "Ian Smith's killing machine" and unjustifiably seems to designate all ex-"Rhodies" dependant on "extreme religion, alcohol [or] purple pills". We all know where the Guardian sits on the political fence (ironically, the Guardian is the name of the newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia) Bob, I really must know: what was your involvement in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe? michael talk 08:37, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Michael. I am British national, age 54. I paid a number of working visits to Zimbabwe in the immediate post-independence period and have made recreational visits more recently. You can find my biographical details plus some family photographs in my entry on the British edition of FriendsReunited.FR. You should look up my entry under the name Bob Scarlett. If you e-mail me, then I will be pleased to send you a copy of my current cv. best wishes. Bob BScar23625 09:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
ps I will get back to you on this matter of the Rhodies soon.
Michael
Those whites who chose to stay in Zimbabwe after independence tended to fall into two categories : (1) those at the top of the heap, who had capital and/or professional skills that enabled them to survive regardless of who ran the show, and (2) those at the bottom of the heap who had nothing that the Australian immigration service wanted and therefore could not leave. In the pre-independence era there were a variety of formal and informal support mechanisms that enabled a white person to enjoy a good standard of living regardless of how useless they were. And a lot of whites depended on these mechanisms, some of which survived well into the 1990s.
Many of those in category (2) became Rhodies. I remember some woman in the early 1980s saying something along the lines of “I hope to wake up one morning and find that all this independence business was just a nightmare, and life is suddenly normal again”. An awful lot of Rhodies sought solace in booze and pills. I guess some Rhodies are decent enough people, but there is always that element of wanting to get back to a lost past.
Given what you know about my background and my contributions to Wikipedia, do you believe that I am a communist?. Bob BScar23625 16:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- The communist bit was a poor joke on my part, not an absurd belief that you would be a communist! (Now that I look at it, it is was in bad taste.) Regards the Rhodies, I was (through the literature I have read) under the impression that it was a term for all ex-Rhodesians, not just a poor, socially-maligned bunch, and therefore saw it as somewhat as a slur on all of them. Perhaps the article can be clarified to make this more obvious; the explanation you gave me above explains a lot, and would go well in the article itself. michael talk 22:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
