Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick

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[edit] Outside comments

[edit] Statement by Cool Cat

  1. I have a script that allows me to automaticaly watch articles I edit (primarily for vandalism), on occasions I manualy add articles to this watchlist such as various political parties and other potential vandalism targets. If Moby Dick edits articles on my list (weather it is an article talking about Oh My Goddess! or Nationalist Movement Party) I would have a way of knowing about it.
  2. Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict is an intresting article. Unlike what moby claims I actualy particiapted in that AFD. All of the faces on previous RfAr are present on the AFD. We have:
    • User:Karl Meier (my former stalker) who voted 4 minutes after nom. Karl is currently revert waring on the article [2]
    • User:Moby Dick (a suspected Davenbelle sock) who voted 10 hours after my vote on same day. Moby was reverting to Kral's version on a number of occasions. [3]
    • User:Fadix (my former stalker) who voted after me on the same day (10 hours after Moby).
    I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But I don't trust coincidences.
  3. Here is a complete list of the deletion votes I participated involving kurds. You'll see over a half are red links as the concensus was over half of the time: delete.
    • I'd also like to point out that some of these categories were created by User:Diyako and/or his other aliases, a user arbcom banned for a year.
    • As for Category:Kurdish inhabited regions, my views are still the same. It should be deleted for the same reasons as Category:Hispanic inhabited regions was deleted. I am not going to bring a content dispute here but I believe I have very good reasons from my stand point which I can discuss if arbcom requests.
  4. It is irrational for someone interested in the novel featuring Moby Dick (so much that he choses it to be his nick), to make minimal edits to that area (hardly any edits, in fact none to article Moby Dick) and make majority of his edits to issues regarding Turkey and Kurds.
    • I would not be suprised if a checkuser placed Moby into the same geographic region as Davenbelle who said he was in bali.
    • The more I look at Moby's contributions the more evidence I can come up with...

--Cat out 12:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment by Karl Meier

I don't really want to be a part of this ArbCom case if I can avoid it, because I haven't really been involved in the conflict between Moby and Cool Cat, and I have followed (and intend to continue to follow) the ArbCom's advice to let other editors, and especially his mentors, take the lead in dealing with any POV editing or other violations by Cool Cat. However, I noticed that Cool Cat has mentioned me in his statement, and I feel that I should respond to it, as what he says is very inaccurate. First, it must be made clear that Cool Cat followed me to the Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict. As the history of the article clearly show, he had never made a single edit to the article or the talkpage when I started editing the article. Also, I don't know why he find it interesting or relevant to his latest ArbCom case that I made my first comment on the vote for deletion page a few minutes after it was nominated, but perhaps Cool Cat could explain in more details exactly why he find it relevant to mention that? For the record I was discussing what should happend with the article on the talkpage at the time when it was nominated, and as mentioned, Cool Cat had never edited that article or it's talkpage. Anyway, Cool Cat followed me to the Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict article a few days later, and his comments on talk and edits to the article, makes it obvious to me that his behavior haven't improved since my last contact with him, which was more than half a year ago. His edits and comments on talk, makes it clear he is still editing and acting according to his pro-Turkish government POV. -- Karl Meier 09:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

If I find the time I will investigate Cool Cat's continued violations of Wikipedia's NPOV policies and add these findings to the evidence section of this ArbCom case. -- Karl Meier 21:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parties to case

User:Megaman Zero (aka User:Randall Brackett) has added himself and User:Cool Cat as parties to this case; is this acceptable to the AC? If so I would be pleased to add evidence concerning them; I did not before because it seemed that this was a case deliberately constructed in a one sided manner. --Moby 04:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Also: he states in his edit summary I find it difficult to swallow we are not considering this fellow never harrassed [sic] Tony... which would seem to imply that he believes that I have harassed User:Tony Sidaway. I'm quite curious as to what he's referring to as I've hardly encountered Tony before this and don't think we've edited any of the same articles. --Moby 05:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't see what is incomprehensible about it. I found it utterly confusing Tony was the member of the case when he was not exposed to your disruptive habbits. On that vein, I knew it was inapropriate in this context for merely Tony to a party when we were the harrassed editors in question. This can be verified over at the evidence subpage.
"I did not before because it seemed that this was a case deliberately constructed in a one sided manner." You mean to imply you have evidence in defense of your actions and you haven't provided any yet....? -Randall Brackett 12:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for clarification

[edit] Aug 2006

[edit] Moby Dick's article ban - projectspace?

"Moby Dick is banned from editing articles which concern Turkey or Kurdish issues." [4] Does this include Articles for Deletion discussions related to those issues? Cool Cat believes the diff above is part of a pattern of harrassment on AfDs, according to a post of his on the admins' incidents noticeboard. The simplest way to sort this out in my view would be to confirm whether his article ban does or should cover projectspace pages. --Sam Blanning(talk) 12:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to clarify my reasoning. While one keep vote does not constitute as stalking, Moby Dick's continuing pattern of behaviour does.
The pattern of behaviour presented in the Arbitration cases evidence page is in my view continuing for one and a half years now. Two arbitration cases have been filed over the issue. Now those arbitration hearings need to be enforced.
--Cat out 14:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, the ambiguous term "article" is to cover all namespaces. Sam Korn (smoddy) 22:34, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Agreed per Sam. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 18:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, he needs to just leave the subject alone. Fred Bauder 13:44, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
To be fair to all parties, I propose that someone alter the decision to read "page" and make an annotation to explain why the change was made (referring to this clarification with a diff). I could not make the change myself because I was an involved party in the case. --Tony Sidaway 01:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nov 2006

[edit] /Coolcat, Davenbelle and Stereotek and /Moby Dick

It would appear that I am under the continuing harassment by User:Davenbelle (aka User:Moby Dick) and User:Stereotek (aka User:Karl Meier aka commons:User:Igiveup). see: Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Disputes#Complaint_about_abuse_of_adminship_by_Cool_Cat.

While I understand other projects are beyond the grasp of en:Arbcom, I'd like a way to deal with this issue. At the very least an arbcom opinion on the matter (non-binding as far as commons is concerned perhaps but would be a notable opinion helping desicion making process).

--Cat out 16:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

User:Cool Cat edited my user page on commons and I reverted him. He then reverted back and protected my user page. And *I'm* harrasing him? --Moby 09:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

The complaint is filed mostly against Karl not you. Though, the short timespan for an inactive wikipedian such as yourself to notice it is of course also curious. Your last edit was on 3 July...
--Cat out 09:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Question: is it really so remarkable that someone might login to read (including checking one's own talk page and watchlist) even when not editing for a while? I'd think it as normal as checking one's email inbox even when not sending email for a while. Asking as a relative newbie, passing by. – SAJordan talkcontribs 10:35, 12 Nov 2006 (UTC).
He ONLY had 3 edits prior to the incident. Reverting my edit to his userpage was his 4th edit. Unlike a wikipedia, on commons there really is nothing to read. I seriously doubt he was just browsing images in the time being... Needless to say he was convicted of stalking me twice in the past as linked above.
However, my complaint is for a different reason. The remarkable thing is that an uninvolved and also relatively inactive party (User:Igiveup) filing the complaint practically behalf of Moby and Him being another convicted stalker. His complaint just one hour and 30 minutes after my edit - that seems highly unlikely to be a coincidence.
--Cat out 10:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for answering my newbie question; I appreciate it. Looking at the edit history with your seven edits to his user page, I see you'd not only added a sockpuppet warning but blanked out the prior content of that page (until the revert); I just don't see why. I also don't see how his complaining about what you did to his user page makes him a harasser. As to his only making four edits (the 4th being his revert), I see the first two were creating his user page and the picture for it, and the third was a vote opposing your promotion. After that, doing what you did to his user page could be interpreted as a reprisal — please notice, I'm not saying it was, I'm just pointing out the risk inherent in making that kind of edit in that situation. Under the circumstances, are you sure you want to follow up that interaction by bringing accusations here, given the risk of reinforcing that interpretation? I'm certainly not on ArbCom, it's just another question from a newbie. – SAJordan talkcontribs 11:36, 12 Nov 2006 (UTC).
The harasser in this case isn't Moby Dick, it's Igiveup (aka Karl Meier, aka Stereotek). Who has a history of personal attacks and harassment here on en.wiki.
I am really tired of dealing with Davenbelle/Moby Dick and Stereotek/Karl Meier/Igiveup. They had been stalking me with intervals (overall non-stop) for nearly two years now.
If harassment is indeed prohibited behavior why am I still dealing with it?
--Cat out 17:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
"The harasser in this case isn't Moby Dick".... In that case, you might want to strike through some text above, e.g. "It would appear that I am under the continuing harassment by User:Davenbelle (aka User:Moby Dick)"....
..."it's Igiveup (aka Karl Meier, aka Stereotek)." Whose "harassment", according to the link you provide, consists of filing a complaint — about your twice blanking out Moby's user page, and on the second occasion using your brand-new Commons admin power to protect the blanking against Moby's restore. So anyone who refers to that as abuse of power is "harassing" you? Is it also "harassment" for anyone else to point to the same edit history and draw the same conclusion?
Cool Cat, you initiated the interaction there, carried your grudge from Wikipedia to Commons, and when you were simply and formally called on it, you reported that back to Wikipedia as "harassment" against you, to get those who complained of your harassment blocked. – SAJordan talkcontribs 01:30, 14 Nov 2006 (UTC).
This user has been blocked indefinitely from commons for "exhaust[ing] the patience of the community" link. --Cat out 23:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I see the actual reason given is "For making threats against Cool Cat and others". How curious.   What threats? Specifically? Is there a quote, a cite, a diff, anything to substantiate exactly what threats were made, when or where? "Making threats" is a crime. Alleging that is a very serious accusation. And it is false. Does NPA not apply on Commons? – SAJordan talkcontribs 00:02, 15 Nov 2006 (UTC).
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