Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan
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[edit] Statement by AMbroodEY
User:Unre4L has been unnecessarily odefying some dumb statements i did make. I apologised to him for those statements and decided to wipe the slate clean and give the whole situation a new try. Yet User:Unre4L and his friends have continued on their confrontational attitude. Whats more they've engage in petty revert wars over talk-page tags. I've had a hard time convincing these guys that talk-page tags are not meant to signify page ownership.
User:Unre4L for his part has engaged in bltant genocide denial of my people, the Hindu Sindhis, during partition in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan [1]. Given my personal and academic commitments it will be difficult for me to participate in this Arbitration case until mid-March. I request a continuation till 13th of March, as I believe in my absence my role in this whole business may be misrepresented.
Response to Nadirali: I'm nobody's associate. I'm here to write an encyclopedia not engage in nationalist flamewars. Wikipedia is not a battle ground. I'm always willing to co-operate on any article of mututal interest, whatever differences we may have on others.
Amey Aryan DaBrood© 05:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Statement by Dangerous-Boy
In response to Szhaider's comment I would like to note that I never removed any pak tag and I only added the india tag since pak and indian history overlap. Szhaider repeatedly removed the indain tag even though it was generally agreed that the tag should stay.--D-Boy 06:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- In response to Szhaider's latest comment, those were honest mistakes since you get removing the india tags.--D-Boy 07:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Statement by Fowler&fowler
I notice that the title of this Request for Arbitration has been changed to "Pakistani Nationalism." I think the new title unfairly tilts the balance in favor of the initiator, Rama's arrow. I am not sure if everyone knows that the RfArb was initiated by Rama's arrow at 16:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC), a full 16 minutes after (and therefore likely in reaction to) an incident at WP:ANI, against Rama's arrow (See here:"Admin abusing his privileges") filed at 16:43, 12 February 2007, by the other editors (Pakistani) now involved in this RfArb. As a neutral editor who has battled both sides in this dispute at different times and occasions, my own view is that nationalism exists on both sides of the Pakistan-India border and both sides are equally prolific in edit-wars on Wikipedia. In my perspective, Rama's arrow has been selectively aggressive towards Pakistani editors and, correspondingly, selectively benign towards Indian editors. I think the way that this RfArb is framed, Rama's arrow comes out looking as a concerned, but, perhaps, neutral administrator and his "interlocutors" as somewhat rabid nationalists. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 20:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternate suggestion that does not involved naming particular editors (we try to avoid Tom and Dick vs Harry for example). Ultimately, however, the title is just a bit of necessary bookkeeping, and I have never seen a case where the title alone framed the outcome. Thatcher131 22:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, how about "India-Pakistan Nationalism" or "Pakistan-India Nationalism" or "South Asia Nationalism?" Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:06, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Since "South Asian" and "India-Pakistan" nationalism indicate a sort of "united nationalism" between the 2 sides,I suggested that we rename it to "Indo-Pakistani" disputes.--Nadirali نادرالی
- I'm thinking just India-Pakistan at this point. We'll see if it get a fourth vote to open. Thatcher131 03:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I see no competing nationalisms afoot. Just couple of irredentists demarcating 3000 yrs of shared history based on a 60 yr old line. Its not simple "pox on both your houses" as F&F tries to construe the situation. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 13:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Statement by JFD
I've had disputes with Indian nationalists on Wikipedia and I can say with confidence that Rama's Arrow is no Indian nationalist.
He's the admin who slapped the indefinite ban on Hkelkar, the Indian Wikinationalist par excellence.
What I have noticed is that Wikinationalists throw around cheap—not to mention hypocritical—accusations of vandalism and bigotry with abandon.
Wikipedia is lousy with Indian nationalists, but Rama's Arrow is not one of them.
JFD 06:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Outside Statement by Just H
I'm not sure if it's common to do so here, but I would like to offer to help mediate here. I have no prefence to India or Pakistan. Just H 03:12, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
